Whoever made this video needs to really get a life if he thinks that these Chinese Made toys from rejected soviet designs are going to be worth a punch.
I don’t know what to say!!! Just laughed at it. This video doesn’t prove any thing except that the Pakistani is being desperate and jealous. This video has lot of question into it. Were the speed of both the plan was same? Was both the plan decided to turn the plane under same G-force (I mean LCA can be turning in 4G, where JF-17 Blunder ? could be turning in 8 GS?)? Or it cloud also be a nice piece of video editing.
If JF-17 Blunder is such force multiplier the explain why the Chinese PLAAF hasn’t excepted even one into there bucket.
JF-17 is Chinese scrap which even Chinese don’t want to buy Lol !!!
The pak jingo who posted this video did not understand that 1)Tejas flight envelope had not been opened for more than 6g during this display 2)tejas described a circle with greater radius than bandar did. Tejas performed beautifully in aero india-2011 and when its envelope is fully opened ie,foc we are going to get a beast ready to take 4 bandars at a time. JAI HIND
when will the pak jingos understand that tejas' full envelope has not been opened. tejas is light years ahead of bandar in technologies a)fbw flight control system b)carbon composites c)elta hybrid radar with indian modules (bandar has no radar, not finalised. pak is begging france france for avionics) d)TEJAS MK-2 will be equivalent to gripen-NG FINALLY,"TEJAS IS FULLY BUILT BY INDIANS FOR INDIANS" NOT COPIED OR BOUGHT FROM 'COPY CAT' CHINESE
The rate of turn of Tejas is low in the video.Being a deltwing design with low wing loading, Tejas should fare well compared to j17.I see 2 reasons for this… 1)Tejas as of now hasn't achieved its full operational envelop…it has only 85 percent of the capability that it should have with the GE 404IN.This is bcoz the ADA is struggling to expand the operational envelop timely.They even asked the french for help in this regard. I dont know which video of lca is compared with the J17.But the performance of tejas at aero india 2011 is far better.If the remaining 15 percent potential capability is achieved by the time of FOC, TEJAS MK1 is superior to present J17. 2)A delta wing design needs more thrust, in comparison to conventional design,for the tighter 360 degree turn.So as Tejas is powered by a low thrust for its design,its rate of turn is expectedly low . ADA says with the GE 414IN and minor aerodynamic changes, TEJAS MK2 will be 40 percent better than the present Tejas mk1.Then it is obvious that Tejas mk2 will be far superior to future blocks of J17.
By merely super-imposing 2 separate videos of 2 diff airframes maneuvering under totally different conditions/altitude/location, dat Pak jingo has created a mockery of himself!!! Shows he's good in video-editing, not technical analysis…
Comparing only the turn rate is laughable as PAF itself is now going in for BVR missile capability!
Nawaz the former PM of pak itself accepted the true , Tejus mk1 may have lesser capable in turn rate , but its avionics/EW suit is better than JF-17 copy cat of chinese from Lavi project.but that turnning rate of jets is more better in Mk2 version. afterall these jf-17 is target practice for our Su30 mki .
Well I am of the strong opinion that Pakistan is always good at propaganda ! OBL found there and what do they say ? Our sovereignty is violated. Now you know with what fighters this sovereignty is going to be defended !!! All the same numbers are still important in the long run in addition to quality. Trouble is the JF17 is already in serial production and we are – er – still Lost somewhere in Mk2, Mk3 , LSP and so on.
After this funny comparison … The real comparison i wanted to do is on Empty weight.. While tejas has carbon fiber composite but still has an empty weight of 6560 kg…
while the bandhar doesnt have much of carbon fiber composite but weights around 6411 kg only..
accepted not much a difference.. but bandhar doesnt have much of CFC .. and secondly what is there inside Tejas … which makes it heavy…
Shiv is there any chance in MK-2 we will reduce the weight?
Tejas empty weight is calculated by including the weight of two R 73 missiles and the pilot too.. All adding up to be almost 400 Kgs I don't think bandar's creator follow this rule.
funny part is they don't have a single product to com-pit in automobile sector in the international market [not even a bike ], and they claim they are developing , fighter plane ,cruise missile , and even battle tanks and plans to export it
Pak jingos are not known for being very bright. A few years back the pompously named "Pakistan Institute for Air Defence Studies" published a "manual" on DCAT for the F-16, with some nifty sketches and all that. Naturally some BRF bloggersgot curious, tracked down its origins and confronted the (ch)air warriors of PIADS. Haughty denials poured in until the BRF blogger pulled out his trump card. The much touted "manual" was copied from tactics instruction guide provided with a popular F-16 PC game! The guide had been written by a US ANG veteran, and signed and monochrome versions of it were widely available on the WWW. The (ch)air warriors had simply scrubbed out the www version and published it as their own!
first source is duh ! #$#@@ Nawaz sharif talking of fighter jets? does he even know how to spell that. oh come on shiv, youre not serious to buy that.
second source is biased considering it comes from indian AF itself which would never talk bad of LCA.
i believe, we should rise above these petty differences, and blind talk of own fighter while writing off the other. the fact is, and this everyone knows deep down even the airforces on both sides, both JF-17 and LCA are a major and formally launched and funded programs. no country would spend funds and energies into something thats worthless (as we put it here), we all should understand and realize that. both jets have an edge over one another at some point. LCA for now is a largely delayed whereas JF-17 might be gaining as far as its deployment goes. thats the only difference i see.
its always nice to see balanced reporting and sensible discussions. can we all do that for once guys.
hehhehe….that country feeds on jingoism ….they feel 17>16 hence thunder is better than worlds best fighter jet f-16 that they have…m sure pak army must be producing such videos in numbers ….coz thats wat feeds them hahha
Nice attempt being made by Pakis to compare the two flight. The Tejas flight was from the airshow, the pilot is not supposed to turn before he reaches a certain point and the Paki is trying to say that just because the Paki pilot turned before, he wins. So pathetic are their attempts. And for Jingoes and others. Here is the correct version.
Shame that turn rate is not a valid comparison any more, more about avionics, BVR weapon systems, support infrastructure, training, maintenance, etc…. Still, if it makes that paki happy then lets all smile 🙂
I wonder why some pakistanis love making turn rate videos on youtube. There was one where JF-17 beat the F-16, but there is no scale or any way to measure what the turn radius was. I guess somebody is trying too hard to look good. 🙂
And Pakis do produce nice comedic "comparison" vids. There was a video on Youtube which showed a bandar shooting down a bunch of MKI's. My 2 cents-watch the vids and laugh. As they say, laughter is the best medicine.
Anon 2:18 PM- hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. ROFL 5th gen hahahaha. Joke of the year. hah they have to spent another century to acquire a 5th gen aircraft. This blunder is not even a 4th Gen aircraft (if classified properly).
The PAF Fizzle'ya can beat anything you throw at them – F-14/15/16/18/22/35, MiG-21/23/25/27/29/33/25, Su-27/30/33/35/37 M2K, EF, Rafale, Gripen etc., and then meteorites, Klingon piloted starships, and Death Rays. All excepting a dr(ow)ne flying in Waziristan launched by the hated YYY (Yankee, Yahud, Yindoo combo)
How can LCA be compared to Thunder in turn flight. The LCA is negotiating larger turn radius with very low G loading whereas this idiot pakistani is turning in very low radius with high loading. Moreover, Tejas is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of the scrap-box thunder. Any flying object cannot be a marvelous aircraft. Also the world knows the quality of CHINESE MAAL— fit for scrapyard only.
we can say what ever we want but paf is surely has some confidence to order 250 of those while iaf is waiting for a yet to be developed version for any order after 40.
Forget about the turn rate, how about comparing the vapor trail the Tejas is making compared to the JF-17. The JF-17 hardly makes any while the Tejas is making so much that it looks like its sending smoke signals to announce its presence in the area. Who needs radar when you can just spot the huge puff of gas coming from the Tejas.
@Anon 2:04 hopefully you are joking or being facetious!!!!! But in case you are not, i do hope you realise that Tejas is using smoke generators used in flying displays and the junk F X17 is not!
To Anon at 2:07 PM: I'm talking about the huge vapor trail coming off the wing tips of the Tejas compared to the JF-17, which seems to be doing a better job of dispersing the vapor trail coming off it.
Whoever made this video needs to really get a life if he thinks that these Chinese Made toys from rejected soviet designs are going to be worth a punch.
Comparing only turn rates is not an ideal parameter to compare two aircrafts. Not a valid comparasion.
I don’t know what to say!!! Just laughed at it. This video doesn’t prove any thing except that the Pakistani is being desperate and jealous. This video has lot of question into it. Were the speed of both the plan was same? Was both the plan decided to turn the plane under same G-force (I mean LCA can be turning in 4G, where JF-17 Blunder ? could be turning in 8 GS?)? Or it cloud also be a nice piece of video editing.
If JF-17 Blunder is such force multiplier the explain why the Chinese PLAAF hasn’t excepted even one into there bucket.
JF-17 is Chinese scrap which even Chinese don’t want to buy Lol !!!
The pak jingo who posted this video did not understand that
1)Tejas flight envelope had not been opened for more than 6g during this display
2)tejas described a circle with greater radius than bandar did.
Tejas performed beautifully in aero india-2011 and when its envelope is fully opened ie,foc we are going to get a beast ready to take 4 bandars at a time.
JAI HIND
when will the pak jingos understand that tejas' full envelope has not been opened. tejas is light years ahead of bandar in technologies
a)fbw flight control system
b)carbon composites
c)elta hybrid radar with indian modules (bandar has no radar, not finalised. pak is begging france france for avionics)
d)TEJAS MK-2 will be equivalent to gripen-NG
FINALLY,"TEJAS IS FULLY BUILT BY INDIANS FOR INDIANS" NOT COPIED OR BOUGHT FROM 'COPY CAT' CHINESE
JF-17 Thunder is a fifth generation aircraft i guess…… as per pakistani terms
The rate of turn of Tejas is low in the video.Being a deltwing design with low wing loading, Tejas should fare well compared to j17.I see 2 reasons for this…
1)Tejas as of now hasn't achieved its full operational envelop…it has only 85 percent of the capability that it should have with the GE 404IN.This is bcoz the ADA is struggling to expand the operational envelop timely.They even asked the french for help in this regard.
I dont know which video of lca is compared with the J17.But the performance of tejas at aero india 2011 is far better.If the remaining 15 percent potential capability is achieved by the time of FOC, TEJAS MK1 is superior to present J17.
2)A delta wing design needs more thrust, in comparison to conventional design,for the tighter 360 degree turn.So as Tejas is powered by a low thrust for its design,its rate of turn is expectedly low .
ADA says with the GE 414IN and minor aerodynamic changes, TEJAS MK2 will be 40 percent better than the present Tejas mk1.Then it is obvious that Tejas mk2 will be far superior to future blocks of J17.
Let the Pakis feel contended atleast on this Video. But guys was rolling on the floor with laughter after seeing the "comparison" made.
By merely super-imposing 2 separate videos of 2 diff airframes maneuvering under totally different conditions/altitude/location, dat Pak jingo has created a mockery of himself!!! Shows he's good in video-editing, not technical analysis…
Comparing only the turn rate is laughable as PAF itself is now going in for BVR missile capability!
Nawaz the former PM of pak itself accepted the true , Tejus mk1 may have lesser capable in turn rate , but its avionics/EW suit is better than JF-17 copy cat of chinese from Lavi project.but that turnning rate of jets is more better in Mk2 version. afterall these jf-17 is target practice for our Su30 mki .
@mathi No kidding!
In the era of BVR combat, who care about turn rate.
Both designs are not exactly ground breaking either.
Only thing good in this video is the music!!!
Well I am of the strong opinion that Pakistan is always good at propaganda ! OBL found there and what do they say ? Our sovereignty is violated. Now you know with what fighters this sovereignty is going to be defended !!! All the same numbers are still important in the long run in addition to quality. Trouble is the JF17 is already in serial production and we are – er – still Lost somewhere in Mk2, Mk3 , LSP and so on.
shiv, check out a real comparison with split screens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4waXZLxSE
After this funny comparison … The real comparison i wanted to do is on Empty weight.. While tejas has carbon fiber composite but still has an empty weight of 6560 kg…
while the bandhar doesnt have much of carbon fiber composite but weights around 6411 kg only..
accepted not much a difference.. but bandhar doesnt have much of CFC .. and secondly what is there inside Tejas … which makes it heavy…
Shiv is there any chance in MK-2 we will reduce the weight?
Tejas empty weight is calculated by including the weight of two R 73 missiles and the pilot too..
All adding up to be almost 400 Kgs
I don't think bandar's creator follow this rule.
funny part is they don't have a single product to com-pit in automobile sector in the international market [not even a bike ], and they claim they are developing , fighter plane ,cruise missile , and even battle tanks and plans to export it
hahahahhahaaha…
Pak jingos are not known for being very bright. A few years back the pompously named "Pakistan Institute for Air Defence Studies" published a "manual" on DCAT for the F-16, with some nifty sketches and all that. Naturally some BRF bloggersgot curious, tracked down its origins and confronted the (ch)air warriors of PIADS. Haughty denials poured in until the BRF blogger pulled out his trump card. The much touted "manual" was copied from tactics instruction guide provided with a popular F-16 PC game! The guide had been written by a US ANG veteran, and signed and monochrome versions of it were widely available on the WWW. The (ch)air warriors had simply scrubbed out the www version and published it as their own!
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first source is duh ! #$#@@ Nawaz sharif talking of fighter jets? does he even know how to spell that. oh come on shiv, youre not serious to buy that.
second source is biased considering it comes from indian AF itself which would never talk bad of LCA.
i believe, we should rise above these petty differences, and blind talk of own fighter while writing off the other. the fact is, and this everyone knows deep down even the airforces on both sides, both JF-17 and LCA are a major and formally launched and funded programs. no country would spend funds and energies into something thats worthless (as we put it here), we all should understand and realize that. both jets have an edge over one another at some point. LCA for now is a largely delayed whereas JF-17 might be gaining as far as its deployment goes. thats the only difference i see.
its always nice to see balanced reporting and sensible discussions. can we all do that for once guys.
ROTFL!!!!
lil' pakis will nvr change
hehhehe….that country feeds on jingoism ….they feel 17>16 hence thunder is better than worlds best fighter jet f-16 that they have…m sure pak army must be producing such videos in numbers ….coz thats wat feeds them hahha
Shiv
Don't degrade this blog by posting stupid pak news
Nice attempt being made by Pakis to compare the two flight. The Tejas flight was from the airshow, the pilot is not supposed to turn before he reaches a certain point and the Paki is trying to say that just because the Paki pilot turned before, he wins. So pathetic are their attempts. And for Jingoes and others. Here is the correct version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4waXZLxSE
Shame that turn rate is not a valid comparison any more, more about avionics, BVR weapon systems, support infrastructure, training, maintenance, etc…. Still, if it makes that paki happy then lets all smile 🙂
JF-17 is a really good fighter ; not in the battle field but in Utube 😀 …
turn rate! my a*
All the stolen technological jokes from China and North Korea.
in this video LCA completed total loop but Bunder didnot completed total loop till now in any video i didnot see bunder completing one single loop
I wonder why some pakistanis love making turn rate videos on youtube. There was one where JF-17 beat the F-16, but there is no scale or any way to measure what the turn radius was. I guess somebody is trying too hard to look good. 🙂
well,i enjoyed the song 🙂
And Pakis do produce nice comedic "comparison" vids. There was a video on Youtube which showed a bandar shooting down a bunch of MKI's. My 2 cents-watch the vids and laugh. As they say, laughter is the best medicine.
Tats
Anon 2:18 PM- hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. ROFL
5th gen hahahaha. Joke of the year. hah they have to spent another century to acquire a 5th gen aircraft. This blunder is not even a 4th Gen aircraft (if classified properly).
The PAF Fizzle'ya can beat anything you throw at them – F-14/15/16/18/22/35, MiG-21/23/25/27/29/33/25, Su-27/30/33/35/37 M2K, EF, Rafale, Gripen etc., and then meteorites, Klingon piloted starships, and Death Rays. All excepting a dr(ow)ne flying in Waziristan launched by the hated YYY (Yankee, Yahud, Yindoo combo)
How can LCA be compared to Thunder in turn flight.
The LCA is negotiating larger turn radius with very low G loading whereas this idiot pakistani is turning in very low radius with high loading.
Moreover, Tejas is LIGHT YEARS AHEAD of the scrap-box thunder. Any flying object cannot be a marvelous aircraft. Also the world knows the quality of CHINESE MAAL— fit for scrapyard only.
1.00 INR = 1.91393 PKR
hahahaha…
we can say what ever we want but paf is surely has some confidence to order 250 of those while iaf is waiting for a yet to be developed version for any order after 40.
Yes my grand paa too was flying jet with any aviation, its just a gravity bomber.
Jf 17 is still without aviation were as lca is already have countermeasure & electronic protection.
chinese rejected FC-1 became paki JF-17! Only they can buy such junk.
LOL 😀
still their airfore believes that it is capable enough to face India and they are taking it to airshows all around the world.
i hope IAF do the same some year rather then going to MKII and then go t MKIII and keep doing things like this
ROFLMAO!!! This guy needs to be given an oscar!!! Still can't laughing!!!
What is purpose of this post ?
please do write one two sentence about the message you want to convey.
rofl
If India have F-22, pakis will compare it with fc-1. what can t=they do? they do not have anything more than this chinese junk.
Here check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4waXZLxSE
As always, as jignoistic as Sameeullahather, he posts all the crap on youtube
See another one from porkis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIUqCxpjRdc&feature=related
Forget about the turn rate, how about comparing the vapor trail the Tejas is making compared to the JF-17. The JF-17 hardly makes any while the Tejas is making so much that it looks like its sending smoke signals to announce its presence in the area. Who needs radar when you can just spot the huge puff of gas coming from the Tejas.
Lol you have just made the reverse, jf 17 is using the same jet used in Mig 29 which whole world know its a Smokey one.
@Anon 2:04 hopefully you are joking or being facetious!!!!!
But in case you are not, i do hope you realise that Tejas is using smoke generators used in flying displays and the junk F X17 is not!
To Anon at 2:07 PM: I'm talking about the huge vapor trail coming off the wing tips of the Tejas compared to the JF-17, which seems to be doing a better job of dispersing the vapor trail coming off it.
LOL 😀
I wonder how did it destroy d LCA by dropping 2 bombs
idiots both the planes are ssrapped
both the planes are shit