MMRCA Winner Will Emerge Mid-December: IAF Chief

"No matter how long it takes(no matter loosing 100s of pilots in aircraft crashes, no matter if their family suffer, no matter if our nations security is at stake) , we have to get it right.There are a lot of complicated figures(when the price shoot up from 12 bn to 20 bn due to delay). But mid-December we should have a good sense of who gets selected(then in another year we will anounce the winner).

like Sunny Deol dialogue "taarikh pe taarikh"….

I think they are calculating very hard – 1*2^22 + (222 + 222) *2222 + 2345 + 2300 +- 330000 * 22*22^3

Since they are so many calculations and they doing it on paper without any calculator and/or computer, it taking this long, just under 4 years, or 10 years from the time MRCA idea was launched.

The air chief also claims that the result will be released in mid-dec, but did not tell which year, most likely 2020. By then, all MIGs would have crashed, Dassault would have gone out of business and Eurofighter will be abandoned since Italy, Spain and Austria went bankrupt and UK decided to buy F35 instead.

when he said envelopes would be opened in 10 days, it actually took a little more time than that. I am betting L1 will be announced first week of Jan.

May the best plane for India win!!.

mid december in the year 2020.

India has always taken far to long to make any decisions,lets face it your civil servants learned well from the UK.
In this case I think they are correct in looking minutely at the details of this deal,you need the right aircraft for the right price.
I think your main concern should be whether HAL,you will be building most of these aircraft on licence.
With their track record can they deliver?

In regards to Rafale you logic is completely flawed.The more countries that do not buy it means that these countries do not consider it worth what is being asked for it.
As you state that you are a nuclear power,your country has missiles capable of delivering a nuclear warhead,why on earth would you want to put nuclear weapons on an air superiority aircraft.Your statement re seek US permission to wage a war is ridiculous,you buy Russian equipment do you have to seek permission from them? Do you think the UK had to seek permission from the US before we used Typhoon against Libya,nonsense.
It will be up to your politicians to make the choice but from what I understand the IAF prefers Typhoon.

In a press release dated January 10, 2011 I said:-
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Stealth or no-stealth, 5th generation or 4th generation, fighter aircraft are as obsolete for India's defence as bows and arrows. They can be used against neighbors such as Pakistan and China but the United States is EVERYBODY'S neighbor. It has already invaded and occupied Afghanistan, a part of traditional India and will expand its occupation to the rest of the subcontinent. I am India's expert in strategic defence, the father of India's strategic program including the Integrated Guided Missile Development Program and the world's greatest scientist (my biography is in Marquis' Who's Who in the World, 2011 and earlier editions). The U.S. invasion of Afghanistan means the coast-to-coast destruction of the U.S. by India; see my blog titled 'Nuclear Supremacy for India Over U.S.', which can be found by a Yahoo search with the title, for what India needs to do. Russia and other white countries are U.S. allies. These are the enemies to destroy. All other enemies will be taken care of automatically. Conventional arms are worthless for destroying the United States. Nuclear arms to destroy the United States with a FIRST STRIKE — this is the key — are cheap and easy to produce with technology India already has. All the money earmarked for fighter aircraft etc., and more, must be pumped into research, development and production of missiles able to deliver India's nuclear warheads — in the thousands — to the continental United States. India's missile scientists & engineers should have tested such missiles to their full range decades ago — everything else, including short and intermediate range missiles and missile defence, is secondary and tertiary — but have not done that because of prohibitions by India's C.I.A.-controlled governments. This must be done on a war footing; the first step is to destroy RAW through which the C.I.A. rules India; see my blog. Producing such weapons in the thousands and very quickly is important. This means that the vast majority of them must be land-based, including road and rail-mobile, missiles rather than submarine-based which take a long time to produce.
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For more, see my blog.

Deepak wrote "(when the price shoot up from 12 bn to 20 bn due to delay)"

The price increase is only partly due to natural inflation of costs of production. The scope of MMRCA was also changed to a more capable platform, which basically follows the 'beefing up' of the definitions of light and medium aircraft: originally seen as a Mirage 2000 requirement (which Gripen NG more than meets) that goalpost was obviously moved to a more modern Medium aircraft definition (EF and Rafale). The number of aircraft is also being increased which obviously affects price. Needless to say, the competition between Rafale and Eurofighter puts strong pressure on both to offer a good deal: India will likely be getting as good a deal as any purchaser of these aircraft will get, including the original producer countries… Any extra that is paid will be covering the duplication of production facilities, which is a strategic choice for India at both military and industrial levels.

My question: This process was supposed to be over, i.e. including final negotiations with selected vendor, because quoted prices are only valid until the end of this year. I would assume either vendor would be willing to ad-hoc extend their bid validity for a few months if necessary, but would doing that put the MoD in a spot regarding competitive bidding rules?, forcing them to re-assess the bids?

Satish Chandra,
You are obviously suffering from some sort of mental illness,as well as being a war monger and a racist,I suggest you seek urgent medical help.
Now get back in your box.

For the full context of what is said below, see GaddafiCrimeDOTblogspotDOTcom:-

November 18, 2011: When I say the new Chief of Air Staff, N. A. K. Browne, is a CIA-RAW man, I mean he literally sits at CIA-supplied terminals to participate in crimes against India. More than a thousand Indian Air Force aircraft have crashed since 1970, the vast majority of the crashes caused by microwaves from U. S. satellites. In his first week in office as Chief of Air Staff, Browne caused two Indian Air Force fighter planes to crash with microwaves from satellites, to give a boost to his bid to buy worse than worthless foreign aircraft for several tens of billions of dollars of which he will get a hefty cut along with the Defence Minister and the Italian whore who gets the largest cut.

I said on October 11 '11 (GaddafiCrimeDOTblogspotDOTcom ) that the 'suicide' of the chief test pilot Baldev Singh was murder, to facilitate the claim of the fraudulent 'delay' in inducting the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft, being used to justify the worse than worthless purchase abroad. India builds Sukhoi MKI aircraft from raw materials; why do you need to buy fighter aircraft from abroad?

N. A. K. Browne, A. K. Antony and the Italian whore should be booked for the murder of Baldev Singh along with the head of RAW. All former heads of RAW should be booked for the murders of hundreds of Indian Air Force pilots.

The murders of several politicians by air crash have also been accomplished by microwaves from satellites. A recent example was the murder of the Andhra Pradesh chief minister by air crash. In my blog I have described how Indira Gandhi when prime minister in 1980 went to her kitchen with the then U. S. Vice President and former CIA Director, George Herbert Walker Bush, to arrange for the murder by air crash of her son Sanjay Gandhi who had taken to slapping her in the presence of others under my influence and the then CIA Director, Frank Carlucci, publicly claimed credit for that air crash via a letter that appeared in National Review.

Reply to Michael from [email protected]:

Primarily spares are controlled by the parent country manufacturing the aircraft. If US does not want us to attack Pakistan, who will give spares for their manufactured aircraft. Secondly how do you exactly propose a nuclear state use in a war a nuclear bomb…pls educate yourself. Fist choice for a nuclear hit is always through an aircraft, missiles are considered as a second alternative. Your knowledge level sucks…when you mention that Typhoon is an air superiority aircraft, since I agree, then what is it it doing in a Multi role competition. More importantly every aspect of the Rafale is superior to Typhoon except electronics or avionics. Let me elaborate cause your knowledge is too dumb for that:
1. Full load capacity higher then the weight of the plane, this is not possible in EFT,
2. More wet pylons then EFT,
3. EFT says their battlefield aircraft will not support Nuclear use…it is not an escort plane, but bought to be used in case of war…WAR has no boundaries,
4. Single country dependency, cuts through red tape and any future obstacle arising out of disagreements between the tier one countries,
5. Saudi does joint exercise with Pakistan, revealing Typhoons any and all truth about digital signatures, radar capabilities etc., in short entire weakness and strength to pakistan handed over on a platter.

Now to solve your doubts on more countries buying the plane.
F22 Raptor, the best in the world today only for use by USAF.
SU-37, only with Russia, will sell them only once they are very close to inducting SU-50.
Very superior planes are used only by their primary manufacturers.
Export is only to subsidise the cost of the plane development. God you dont know this much.
Major losses for the rafale in as many competition that it has participated is blamed on higher commercials or dassault diplomacy, never a case for the fighter being less worthy.

Libyan use also demonstrated what it can do…to clear any pending doubts.

Michael ONE suggestion…please educate yourself to be worthy of commenting on such topics.

shiv: rafale has underpower engine. every time all countries says the same!! then will india prefer lower bidder rafale… india also knows that from start rafale has underpower engine then why did it not eliminate reom mmrca.. i think still there is some controversy in aircraft deal… think twice… first roomers rafale was out and then by indian deligates it was not out. all contenders know that rafale has under power engine. then why should india select that kind of aircraft??? india wants technology for money if they go for rafale they can get some tehnology. but with a tag price. hope india decides wisely technology or under power engine???

Anonymous,
It is to my surprise to find such rudeness on this site,I have noted that it seems to be endemic and can only assume that it is a defensive ploy to hide your ignorance of military matters.
In the first instance Typhoon is manufactured by a European consortium and has nothing to do with the USA,in fact it is in direct competition with the F15/15 for foreign contracts.The US parts that are used in Typhoon are bought by europe from the US and therefore do not come under any restrictions or secrecy rules as in your ignorance you seem to suggest
Your knowledge of nuclear strategy is obviously at the kindergarten level,as is you understanding of the capabilities of Typhoon,if your expertise is of such a high standing as you seem to think then you would be building this sort of aircract yourself instead of buying it from a foreign country.
In western web sites we try and have a serious discussion without reverting to insult which seems to be your forte.
With your aggresive self opinionated outlook it is obvious that you are unable to argue your point in an adult manner.
If your attitude was mirrored by your military high command you be in an awfull mess.
I suggest you do a lot more research on military tactics in all respects,instead of trying to appear to have knowledge that you obviously lack.
I really cannot waste my time trying to educate you in matters that you are clearly incapable of understanding.
You remind me of a penguin,all flap and no action.
NB:- It would show you to be more of a man if you gave your name instead of hiding behind 'Anonymous' or are you afraid your ignorance might be recognised.

Reply again to Michael:
From [email protected]:

We Indians are hugely assertive, generally when westerners do not have any answer they consider any question or argument in front of them as rude, we are used to such escapist behaviours.

Now if your psycho analysis about my personal traits is over, can you run your so called brain that you feel is hugely knowledgeable to give us a point to point reply on the so called strengths of Typhoon are, be specific to the case in discussion i.e.: MMRCA competition in India, do not provide a website copied feature list for the EFT.

Thanks for accepting that components are bought from USA. Also you must be the most keen non Indian on this blog replying to every query as if your country and you have this as a sole motive for human existence on earth.

Now to answer anonymous query.
I have a yahoo ID which does not allow me to login and hence I mention it in all my discussions.
Sorry if you are used to Braille, cause that could be the only reason you seem to not read my email ID.

And sincere thanks for acknowledging that it has been a waste of time for you, cause it was no different replying to your wasteful personal analysis of my character rather than a solid demonstration of your knowledge/info on why EFT is superior to Rafale for India.

Same suggestion…only repeat version…Michael Educate yourself.
Don't claim your worthiness, rather earn it graciously.

I agree with you [email protected], my favorite was also Typhoon until I heard Qatar is searching for alternatives for Rafale. I am expecting that Dec date will again get pushed behind and meanwhile Qatar doesnot order Rafale, then Rafale could be much better option, granted on tech basis, Eurofighter is better.

The reasons being:
1. If France is unable to secure any order, may be other than India, probably this would be last series of Dassault that would fly and France might consider joining Eurofighter program. So, we might be able to get all Dassault Engineers and basic infrastructure essentials moved to India.
2. Dassault ToT needs just France might mean it would be easier to move things fast, considering sluggishness at our end!
3. Pak friendly country having gained no experience with Rafale should provide little bit of surprise. That might not amount to much.

My main reasoning is that if France goes to wash its hands off fighter program for future, it might be a boom as we would gain expertise with very little effort. A unified engine for Tejas, Rafale and future AMCA would be great!

I love more Indian Air Force and also me wanted to joined ……….

Mr. Browne why so much suspense….. Tell Rafale is the Winner……