HAL should maintain the time limit , its easy to say LCA will be completed by 2010, 2012, 2015, 2100. Every indians should be proud of home grown projects , but we feel sad to here these type news every time, Every projects have their time limit , so need to finish it ontime.
I agree that the LCA project has extended way too long. However, one must also keep in mind that besides the stated aim of providing a light (and cheap) fighter for the IAF, the LCA program is also a learning experience for skills that have atrophied over the years since we developed the HF-24 Marut.
Some timelines for comparison (development start to entry into service) * JAS-39 Gripen – 1982-1996 – 14 years * Eurofighter Typhoon – 1982-1998 – 16 years (1982 was the year the EAP program was launched) * Dassault Rafale – 1983-2000 – 17 years * HAL Tejas – 1983-2010 – 27 years
Considering that these other manufacturers have been continuously developing and building combat aircraft for more than 50 years, I don’t think is something to be ashamed about, but a climb up a learning curve that will progressively become flatter with each new development (just compare the LCA development time to that of the HJT-32)
To get perfect result with ontime results we need to allow private firms to participate in defense research & Manufacturing. Govt needs to boost research for private sectors.
Vivek JAS , TYPHOON, RAFALE projects are completed now & they are supplying to other countries also , but tejus is not ready & rejected by IAF ( due to pressure by defense ministry it is ordered only 40 nos , because of that much engine ordered from GE usa f2j3 & IN20), now HAl has planned to go for mark2 it also takes another 5 to 10 years.for selecting engine itself it will more than 2 yrs for hal, we totally worried about the wasting time by HAL & defense dept. if we dont need any jets in urgent no one will be bothered about it , but our IAF is facing highly depletion in fighter sqn's . we have any time danger with 2 great neighbors .
To avoid these kind of problems Govt need to allow & boost private firms to take part in research, Manufacture & supply.
I definitely agree with you that the Government needs to encourage the private sector to participate in defense projects. However, one must keep in mind that the private sector needs to be able to show their shareholders a decent profit, which current volumes don’t provide. This will increase in time.
I also agree that the Rafale and other fighters have already entered service. But I’d also like to point out that their manufacturers have been consistently designing and building fighters for more than 50 years. Since WW2 Saab has built the J29 Tunnan, J32 Lansen, J35 Draken, JA/AJ 37 Viggen and the JAS 35 Gripen. Dassault has built the Ouragon, Mystere, Super Mystere, Mirage III, Mirage F1, Mirage 2000, and the Rafale. The various manufacturers of the Eurofighter have designed aircraft like the Hawker Hunter, Hawker Harrier, EE Lightning, Hawk, Vulcan, Buccaneer, Panavia Tornado, Concorde, AMX, the entire Airbus range, X-31 and the CASA C-101 (*whew!*). The point I’m trying to make is that the only jet aircraft India has designed are the HF-24 Marut and the HJT-16 Kiran. One also has to factor in the years we spend as an international pariah and suffered under sanctions. We need to learn to walk before we can run.
My major point of disagreement with HAL is that rather than go in for a gold-plated Tejas right off the bat, we should have concentrated on building and delivering a small batch of maybe 30 – 40 aircraft to the IAF, followed by another batch of a slightly improved version … repeat as needed until it is time to retire the first batch at which time you start designing the type’s replacement. In this aspect, I feel that the Tejas Mk 2 is a step in the right direction. Even the F-16A/B took almost 5 years before it became the much more capable C/D version.
when it is likely to fly,ADA saying this for many years that it will fly soon
Thanks a lot for putting up these pictures.
Hopefully, ADA will sort out the open issues in a timely manner and get this nifty little fighter in production for the Navy.
Well yea looks good …..
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when will the naval version of the tejas fly ???? i really like it.
HAL should maintain the time limit , its easy to say LCA will be completed by 2010, 2012, 2015, 2100.
Every indians should be proud of home grown projects , but we feel sad to here these type news every time, Every projects have their time limit , so need to finish it ontime.
I agree that the LCA project has extended way too long. However, one must also keep in mind that besides the stated aim of providing a light (and cheap) fighter for the IAF, the LCA program is also a learning experience for skills that have atrophied over the years since we developed the HF-24 Marut.
Some timelines for comparison (development start to entry into service)
* JAS-39 Gripen – 1982-1996 – 14 years
* Eurofighter Typhoon – 1982-1998 – 16 years (1982 was the year the EAP program was launched)
* Dassault Rafale – 1983-2000 – 17 years
* HAL Tejas – 1983-2010 – 27 years
Considering that these other manufacturers have been continuously developing and building combat aircraft for more than 50 years, I don’t think is something to be ashamed about, but a climb up a learning curve that will progressively become flatter with each new development (just compare the LCA development time to that of the HJT-32)
To get perfect result with ontime results we need to allow private firms to participate in defense research & Manufacturing. Govt needs to boost research for private sectors.
Vivek
JAS , TYPHOON, RAFALE projects are completed now & they are supplying to other countries also , but tejus is not ready & rejected by IAF ( due to pressure by defense ministry it is ordered only 40 nos , because of that much engine ordered from GE usa f2j3 & IN20), now HAl has planned to go for mark2 it also takes another 5 to 10 years.for selecting engine itself it will more than 2 yrs for hal, we totally worried about the wasting time by HAL & defense dept.
if we dont need any jets in urgent no one will be bothered about it , but our IAF is facing highly depletion in fighter sqn's . we have any time danger with 2 great neighbors .
To avoid these kind of problems Govt need to allow & boost private firms to take part in research, Manufacture & supply.
I definitely agree with you that the Government needs to encourage the private sector to participate in defense projects. However, one must keep in mind that the private sector needs to be able to show their shareholders a decent profit, which current volumes don’t provide. This will increase in time.
I also agree that the Rafale and other fighters have already entered service. But I’d also like to point out that their manufacturers have been consistently designing and building fighters for more than 50 years. Since WW2 Saab has built the J29 Tunnan, J32 Lansen, J35 Draken, JA/AJ 37 Viggen and the JAS 35 Gripen. Dassault has built the Ouragon, Mystere, Super Mystere, Mirage III, Mirage F1, Mirage 2000, and the Rafale. The various manufacturers of the Eurofighter have designed aircraft like the Hawker Hunter, Hawker Harrier, EE Lightning, Hawk, Vulcan, Buccaneer, Panavia Tornado, Concorde, AMX, the entire Airbus range, X-31 and the CASA C-101 (*whew!*). The point I’m trying to make is that the only jet aircraft India has designed are the HF-24 Marut and the HJT-16 Kiran. One also has to factor in the years we spend as an international pariah and suffered under sanctions. We need to learn to walk before we can run.
My major point of disagreement with HAL is that rather than go in for a gold-plated Tejas right off the bat, we should have concentrated on building and delivering a small batch of maybe 30 – 40 aircraft to the IAF, followed by another batch of a slightly improved version … repeat as needed until it is time to retire the first batch at which time you start designing the type’s replacement. In this aspect, I feel that the Tejas Mk 2 is a step in the right direction. Even the F-16A/B took almost 5 years before it became the much more capable C/D version.