India To Progress Javelin ATGM Deal, “Enormously Expensive” Gaffed US Soldiers In India Last Year

Let there be competition between Spike and Javelin. The better of them should win rather than just purchasing Javelin off the shelf.
Also give priority to the man portable Nag.

Obama will rock 126 nos (f-18)) in mmrca .
shiv does their is possible for tot in javelin .
every time FMS route is not good for indian financial .
another news says Pakistan also have javelin in its wish list to US , so india may lose its edge in anti tank , so that's made india to order in fastrack purchase .

The cycles of recession and inflation either over-compress or overstretch the things.

Question to Shiv.

In your report on the MMRCA a few days earlier, you mentioned that IAF was inclined to select the cheapest fighter.

So why would they want Boeing refueller? Why would they want C 117s

Both are enormously expensive than the alternatives? (IL 78/76)

IAF, in my opinion have no core competency when it comes to economics/statistics and actuarial science so why do they bother about cost. And more so when MoD and MoF controls the moolah.

What do you think?

Another pointer –

During the recent deployment to France (Istres) for the exercise, IAF noted the failure of MFD 1.2. in one Su 30. (From IAF webpage). In my opinion, 4 scenarios can justify such state of affairs, given the possibility that a professional AF sends its best maintained fighters for an exercise 6000 plus Kms away from home.

1) Su 30 has major issues, regardless of how many man hours spent on rectifying the problem.

2) IAF has chalta hai issues, so it is willing to send defective/maintenance riddled AC for such exercise.

3) IAF / HAL regular maintenance sucks.

4) This was a one off scenario; however, there was problem with one refueller drogue plus MFWS on a Su (in a combat scenario, this Su 30 will be a sitting duck) failed too. IL76 had probs too.
The website is a bit ambiguous about how many AC reached France (Istres). It mentions 4 AC launched from Ahmendabad but only 3 taking off from Luxor for France.

Does anyone have an idea what MFD 1.2 displays in a Su 30? Is MFD blanking off mid air a minor/major issue?

Which one do you think?

Cecx Fable & Gas

After all of Antony's past groaning about fair and transparent tenders and selection processes, the fact that the MoD is rapidly signing a single-vendor deal for the most expensive ATGM in the world(when comparable yet cheaper analogues are available from half a dozen other sources including Russia) reeks of kickbacks and backdoor political lobbying.

It's no just the Javelin, in the past 2-3 years defence deals are being signed at prices that look grossly inflated on a per-unit basis. Of course some of this may be due to greed from the supplier(Russia) but it can't entirely be that. For instance the recent contract for additional Sukhois came at a ridiculous $100 million per plane, same as the next-gen F-35.

Something fishy is going on in the Indian MoD.

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ISRO we are proud of u.

Times India reports: India has a shortage of 44 000 ATGMs. All the tanks in the world are going to end up on Indian border??

One ATGM for one tank. Even if I make a coseravtive estimate, 2 ATGMS for one tank. When will 22000 tanks come onto indian borders.???

We could have feigned that NAg is already in production and is being inducted rather than actually going and buying ATGMs.

This tender needs immediate cancellation in national interests and reeks on IA corruption.

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DISGUSTING

Israeli Spike is a fourth generation man-portable fire-and-forget anti-tank guided missile.

Whereas The FGM-148 Javelin is a United States-made man-portable third generation anti-tank guided missile.

So if Nag really means to be supplemented, then Spike is a better candidate.

Forget Javelin, fire the Spike.

@gautam, this clearly reaks of bribery. kangress is trying to make as much money as possible through kickbacks when they are in power. the recent deal signing which doesnt give regard to cost shows that either we are so rich we dont care abour price or someone is making a lot of money behind the scenes. Which do you think it is?

India already tested spike which has more range than javelin , but spike failed continuously to archive it , that made india to search better one , javelin with 2.5 km is world's best , but with more cost , Nag man portable still has some more years to get ready , i don't think this will effect Nag . IA has more need in man portable , more over the broader of indo sino has showing continuous problems from china , so india is also looking for better weapons in fastrack which could have edge against sino force .

@ Gautam

Spike-ER is a vehicle mounted missile.. too heavy for a soldier to carry during battle.. We can use spike LR but usually soldiers prefer carrying light weight atgm for obvious reasons.. Javelin and Spike have similar type of guidance system.. even the israeli army uses some javelins 🙂

Let Soldiers decide what they want!!

Is not it?

Nowa days Journalists, DRDO, MoD< Middlemen, Financials, PSU, all have beomce bosses and are making hue and cry as to what their bonded labour "the Soldier" should carry on his back.

Think of it. Just a few years ago, even DRDO did not know which is the front and aft of a missile. Todya they all are pretending to be the masters.

Forget the expense part!Like every weapon system the Javelin has its +/-.

The important thing is to that the IA gets a weapon system ON TIME. Cost overruns,losses and problems due to our endemic delays in acquisition are far greater than any perceived disadvantage of the US Sale.And we have to satrt acting like a mature and confident nation.The US is selling weapons to India for its own considerations JUST like any other foreign seller.It is up to us to ensure that we get the best deal and the agreements do not impede our operational capabilities.If we are fool enough to be hoodwinked (repeatedly) than who is to blame but us.

lol @ anon 11.58am…

lol … The arm chair experts

AKA RATshakers!

Anon @ 9:34 is a retard with a bigger mouth than brain who would be banned into oblivion if this were a forum. I'm surprised a gutter-quality remark like his was allowed on this blog.