Hey people, been out of action for a few days. Hope everyone had a safe move into 2009. I’ll catch you all Monday. Lots of stuff pending on the government’s “new year gift” to the armed forces. How damn ironic.
Welcome back to the world of the living, toiling (m)asses – that is how the Govt treats its Armed Forces.
Do you know when will the veterans who superannuated/got discharged/invalided out from serive after 1-1-2006 get their revise PPOs, arrears of leave encashment, gratuity etc
There is no response to letters and telephonic queries
Shiv, was wondering if u had deserted this blog since u’v been completely silent on the traversty done to the armed forces officers. would like to c how u take up this challenge and post useful information. do keep up the good work through the new year. Remeber that you are our toungue and your pen is more powerful than our sword. Make good use of these gifts of god for the benefit of this community of warriors who do not have a say in this ungrateful damn country.
Why ironic now? all along you calmoured for the govt. to do something. and now when they ARE doing something, you brand it ‘ironic’. Thats whats ironic. Stop being a cry baby, Shiv.
• The Home Minister is going to the US to sob on their shoulders. • Pakistan has told us to go climb a tree. A gum tree. • A much smaller state like Israel goes to no one, seeks no support and kicks the posterior of those who dare to threaten their Nation. • Our PM cannot blink an eyelid without the approval of an Italian woman sans allegiance to the Indian Nation. • Our Nuclear facilities have been mortgaged to the US. • The Armed forces have been demoralised. They no longer trust this govt. or the bureaucracy. • There is gag order against reporting about the military being adhered to by a self professed free press of a democratic country. This was the same press that conned the Indians by having their reporter crawling while the cameraman was standing to create a frenzy of panic. The terrorists used our media as a force multiplier to control their operations. The bureaucrats used the media to hide the subversion of the Armed forces. Don’t be surprised if the foreign press starts reporting the mishandling of the Military. • The Supreme Commander of the Armed forces is blissfully silent when the Armed forces are fighting their degradation but is up and ready for fish-n-chips at Cochin with all the pomp and fanfare. Anything for a free meal. When she nibbles on the goodies hope she does think of those who have given their best years for the wholeness of the Nation.
HOW DARE THE SUPREME COMMANDER OF THE ARMED FORCES ALLOW A 300% HIKE IN HER SALARY WHEN 12,00,000 PEOPLE (INCLUDING ME) HAVE BECOME UNEMPLOYED AND ARE STRUGGLING FOR SURVIVAL DUE TO THE RECESSION??????? SHE IS SAME SHAMELESS WOMAN WHO PROCEEDED ON A FAMILY PICNIC IN SE ASIA WHEN MUMBAI WAS BURNING AND INNOCENTS WERE BUTCHERED !
SHE IS ALSO THE SAME WOMAN WHO FEELS ITS HER DUTY TO VISIT ONLY THE HOUSE OF KARKARE & KAMTE …..AND NOT SANDEEP'S !
IS SHE WORTHY OF BEING CALLED THE SUPREME COMMANDER OF THE ARMED FORCES LEAVE ALONE BEING CALLED AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY ?
RASHTRAPAT(N)I HAS BEEN DOING WHAT HER BOSSES(EL ITALIANOS) HAVE BEEN TELLING HER TO DO.WORST PRESIDENT EVER.EVEN JAILOO WAS BETTER.HE AT LEAST OPENLY ADMITTED THAT HE CAN EVEN “MARO JHADOO” IF INDIRA SO DESIRED.
A President making hay as the sun won’t shine tomorrow.
A PM who talks but does not comprehend what he says and is not dismayed that there is no impact.
A Home Minister who lets out information to an Editor-in-Chief who should have better sense that to ask certain questions when matters are still under investigation.
President and Group Editor of a TV channel who say nothing, not even that they were wrong, as the FBI presents excerpts where the LeT leadership was using TV broadcasts to keep their assassins informed.
Hey guys the guts are bleeding. PB 4 is again entangled in a fresh bout of wrangle. But it is for the good. How dare the PMO pass such a diktat that it is not negotiable anymore. Are we beggars begging for something which we not deserve. The attitude is damn right insulting and speaks volume of this Govt. which can negotiate on anything but not the way the issue isa being addressed without taking into consideration the effect on the psyche of the mil offrs-both LT Gens and LT Cols.
The hayseeds of the Finance Ministry are arithmetically sooo correct. The stalling of One Rank One Pension to the Armed forces Veterans, PB4 to all Lt Col and HAG plus to Lt Gens is going to cost the exchequer about • one third of the Fodder scam or • 5% of the Telecom Band with scam or • 6 % of the Bofors scam or 1% of the siphoned loot from the loan waivers to farmers and economy stimuli or. • 001% of the bribe paid to bureaucrats and Politicians every year.
BUT what these smart Alecs cannot comprehend is that one dumb Lt Gen or Lt Col and you loose • Hundreds of sq kms of territory which will take years to resolve. (Arunachal, J&K etc.) • Destruction of Crores of military hardware and national assets over a period of 14 days which will take the Nation over a decade to rebuild. Hardware of one military unit destroyed due to poor strategic leadership by Lt Gens and pathetic tactical implementation by Lt Cols will be heaps more than the annual outflow which would have been saved by not degrading the Armed forces and Veterans. • Another 1000 years of foreign rule. • The loss of trust by the Military due to the treatment of their future – the Veterans – priceless.
The Lt Cols suddenly given extra pay after some Govt attorney re read
” The Proceedings on the Trial of Muhammad (Manmohan) Bahadur Shah”
FINDING The Court, on the evidence before them, are of the opinion that the Prisoner Muhammad Bahadur Shah Zafar, Ex -King of Delhi, is GUILTY of All and EVERY part of the Charges preferred against him.
signed …. M.Dawes, Lieut.-Col, President Delhi The 9th March 1858
The solution now is for veterans to approach the courts for OROP.Discrimination courts will not permit. IAS has already allowed themselves the facility. For serving pers for release also Courts are the remedy. The Govt has shifted the goal posts as regards equality in pay scales and status compared to the time when the life time slavery bond was signed. So they cannot hold on to it for full Cols and Brigs.As for the PM his announcement is an eye wash. He is trying to give an order to the next to next elected Govt.What a Joke. And our service chiefs also have given up. Poor blokes.
Anonymous said… Notice that ESM Leader General Emeritus(sh) Kadyan Bhai is now going to get into politics !!!
Trying to create an element of discord?
You are the type of Jokers who don’t mind electing a foreign Madamme as the Leader of your govt and you want to create a ripple when Gen Kadyan wants to lead the ESM to their righful place and bring back National pride. Maybe it is your genes that brought in the British and the Moghuls while opening the ramparts to let the invaders attack
THIS GOVT. CAN GIVE 2000 CRORES TO BAIL OUT SATYAM SINCE ITS ILLGOTTEN WEALTH IS STASHED THERE – BUT THEY CANNOT GIVE HALF THAT AMOUNT TO REGAINING THE HONOUR AND DIGNITY OF THE ARMED FORCES AND EX SERVICEMEN. WHAT MORE CAN YOU EXPECT FROM THIS CONGRESS OF ITALIAN ARSE-LICKERS
Shibu soren has been kicked in his arse, yet he wants to cling around- thanks to this congress govt! Does he not make money for the elections? Satyam’s bandicoot runs away with millions. The Govt handles him in kidgloves! They are in a hurry to bail out Satyam (all sympathies and best wishes to the staff) Poor country, the heart of this govt beats differently for different people. They cannot agree to OROP. They can queer the pitch for the defence forces, can tinker with their morale, be hoodwinked by pakistan, and finally win the election on false promises! God save this nation!
Notice that ESM Leader General Emeritus(sh) Kadyan Bhai is now going to get into politics !!! (Tribune middle 10 Jan 2009) Ride the ESM movement, get arrested, use Media, and presto Limelight !!!!
This seems to be much like the Pragmatic Cacophony blog by one Sushant k Singh of Live mint and other such spices and herbs fame. In his latest at bitching he writes – ‘we see the many veterans cling on to create ludicrous designations like Lieutenant General (Emeritus)’. He started the blog to instigate disgruntled military officers to air their dirty linen in public which could thereafter be used to malign them and create a data input for his masters. The instigation and collation of the CPO/PMF and MES rift has also been the machinations of his blog. Now his latest post ‘A patch on the arm not needed for honour’ aims at creating a rift between Veterans and Servicemen. Smart move but not quite enough. Most of the agitators are his cronies who channelise the cacophony in the garb of pseudo intellectualism. Unfortunately the officers were fiercely loyal to their organisation and country and lambasted the government machinery for whom he pimped. Soon he was like a prostitute glorifying her whoring while telling the world that they were immoral.
however for defence docotr govt is giving 02 assured promotion i.e capt to maj n maj to lt col….n for board they have to weight for 22ys of service…already median age of joining army for doc r 28 yrs..so a army doc become full col at a age of 50 yrs…however other arms including dental corps become full col at 14 yrs of service,their median age of joining is 23 yrs,so they become full col at 37 yrs of median age…however all central gov doc become full col level at 6 yrs of service including dental,vetenerary n aurvedic doc…what the treatment getting AMC corps..DACP file already in the dustbin of army chief office
now if dental,vetenary,aurvedic,homeopathic and medical specilist joined any central gov job,he/she will be in pay band iv in 2 yrs of service and getting three assured promotion with 10000 gd pay in 13 yrs of service,however in AMC he/she have to wait for 13 yrs to come in pay band iv and only two assured promotion nad 95% will never reached to a 10000 gd pay,i thing now any docotr will try for all service and AMC will be the last choice,its not affect the present AMC docotr morale but affect the good docotr breed in AMC,not the AMC will suffer but all patient will suffer
I built Rome,I'll burn it and play violin while it's burning..I am Nero.
Neros are seemingly omnipresent now,specially in our Republic.
We did build an excellent organization,now we are going to ruin it because we are afraid of its excellent status.
One of the best integrated medical facilities on earth,is becoming deficient of its best raw material,that is,its best brains.The process has started.
You can hardly find fresh medical graduates from top medical colleges in the country joining Army for pure passion now a days.You can notice a drastic fall in the number of applicants for departmental permanent commission,which was earlier considered to have the most difficult conversion ratio.Just see statistics.
We have built world class institutes like AFMC,R&R,Ashwani,CHAF Bangalore because we possess the best brains so far and we have taken care of them so far.You can find how many top generals ministers and top bureaucrats taking health care facility in R&R,preferring it to AIIMS or any other hospital abroad.
NOW WE HAVE STARTED DENYING THEM THEIR PLACE,DENIED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM,DENIED TO HONOR THEIR PARITY AND SO IT IS NOT SURPRISING WHY THEY WILL NO BRAINS LEFT,AND NO BRAINS COMING TO CONTINUE THE LEGACY.BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT JUST SAINTS,THEY ALSO HAVE THEIR LITTLE EGO.
Post independence, the career of a doctor in army was just kingsize. 6yrs of ante date seniority,assured promotion to ONE STEP AHEAD than others.The life savers' morale was high.
Seemingly,number of medical graduated in the country has increased manifold.Mushrooming number of private medical colleges,MBBS from Russia,China,Ukraine and other foreign country being the reason.
We have doctor everywhere,but let me remind you,you just cant persuade the best brain to join the forces now because you have denied them their due.
AV Singh Committee I & II didn't take care of them at all.Now 6th Pay Commission's mistreatment:the organization has been hammered badly.
You won't see any more MAMC,KGMC,BJMC,LHMC graduates in army but graduates from some tin-shed private medical medical college or some Chinese MBBS.
All our Army officers,their spouses,their kids,their families will continue to get treatment from some doctors day and night ,but let me assure you,NOT from the best brains.
Welcome back to the world of the living, toiling (m)asses – that is how the Govt treats its Armed Forces.
Do you know when will the veterans who superannuated/got discharged/invalided out from serive after 1-1-2006 get their revise PPOs, arrears of leave encashment, gratuity etc
There is no response to letters and telephonic queries
DACP for Defence Doctors When? DACP for all other Central Govt Doctors implemented, then why the delay? Is the delay at DGAFMS end or at MOD level?http://www.mohfw.nic.in/DACP(SAG)2.PDF
and
Source: http://www.indianmilitary.info/2008/12/while-some-wait-doctors-can-rejoice.html
partying, huh??
IT’s DAMn ironic,…..U said it DuDe!!!……..
Thanks Shiv,
yes we have landed safely in 2009(safe until next attack and… waiting 🙂
will be waiting for your updates boss..
Regards,
Shiv,
was wondering if u had deserted this blog since u’v been completely silent on the traversty done to the armed forces officers. would like to c how u take up this challenge and post useful information. do keep up the good work through the new year. Remeber that you are our toungue and your pen is more powerful than our sword. Make good use of these gifts of god for the benefit of this community of warriors who do not have a say in this ungrateful damn country.
regards
zulven
Why ironic now? all along you calmoured for the govt. to do something. and now when they ARE doing something, you brand it ‘ironic’. Thats whats ironic. Stop being a cry baby, Shiv.
happy new year to all livefist fans out there
Shiv HNY 2U2.
• The Home Minister is going to the US to sob on their shoulders.
• Pakistan has told us to go climb a tree. A gum tree.
• A much smaller state like Israel goes to no one, seeks no support and kicks the posterior of those who dare to threaten their Nation.
• Our PM cannot blink an eyelid without the approval of an Italian woman sans allegiance to the Indian Nation.
• Our Nuclear facilities have been mortgaged to the US.
• The Armed forces have been demoralised. They no longer trust this govt. or the bureaucracy.
• There is gag order against reporting about the military being adhered to by a self professed free press of a democratic country. This was the same press that conned the Indians by having their reporter crawling while the cameraman was standing to create a frenzy of panic. The terrorists used our media as a force multiplier to control their operations. The bureaucrats used the media to hide the subversion of the Armed forces. Don’t be surprised if the foreign press starts reporting the mishandling of the Military.
• The Supreme Commander of the Armed forces is blissfully silent when the Armed forces are fighting their degradation but is up and ready for fish-n-chips at Cochin with all the pomp and fanfare. Anything for a free meal. When she nibbles on the goodies hope she does think of those who have given their best years for the wholeness of the Nation.
HOW DARE THE SUPREME COMMANDER OF THE ARMED FORCES ALLOW A 300% HIKE IN HER SALARY WHEN 12,00,000 PEOPLE (INCLUDING ME) HAVE BECOME UNEMPLOYED AND ARE STRUGGLING FOR SURVIVAL DUE TO THE RECESSION???????
SHE IS SAME SHAMELESS WOMAN WHO PROCEEDED ON A FAMILY PICNIC IN SE ASIA WHEN MUMBAI WAS BURNING AND INNOCENTS WERE BUTCHERED !
SHE IS ALSO THE SAME WOMAN WHO FEELS ITS HER DUTY TO VISIT ONLY THE HOUSE OF KARKARE & KAMTE …..AND NOT SANDEEP'S !
IS SHE WORTHY OF BEING CALLED THE SUPREME COMMANDER OF THE ARMED FORCES LEAVE ALONE BEING CALLED AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY ?
@ anonymous at 1:42
Man u nailed it!! couldnt agree more!
Even i agree with anon at 1.42….everything is true and blatant.
Good analysis buddy…great….start your own blog man.
very well said…keep it coming
RASHTRAPAT(N)I HAS BEEN DOING WHAT HER BOSSES(EL ITALIANOS) HAVE BEEN TELLING HER TO DO.WORST PRESIDENT EVER.EVEN JAILOO WAS BETTER.HE AT LEAST OPENLY ADMITTED THAT HE CAN EVEN “MARO JHADOO” IF INDIRA SO DESIRED.
We got what we asked for.
A President making hay as the sun won’t shine tomorrow.
A PM who talks but does not comprehend what he says and is not dismayed that there is no impact.
A Home Minister who lets out information to an Editor-in-Chief who should have better sense that to ask certain questions when matters are still under investigation.
President and Group Editor of a TV channel who say nothing, not even that they were wrong, as the FBI presents excerpts where the LeT leadership was using TV broadcasts to keep their assassins informed.
And …………….
We are still a nation despite
Hey guys the guts are bleeding. PB 4 is again entangled in a fresh bout of wrangle. But it is for the good. How dare the PMO pass such a diktat that it is not negotiable anymore. Are we beggars begging for something which we not deserve. The attitude is damn right insulting and speaks volume of this Govt. which can negotiate on anything but not the way the issue isa being addressed without taking into consideration the effect on the psyche of the mil offrs-both LT Gens and LT Cols.
HNY to you and your loved ones.
I believe that we are in for some very interesting 2 weeks. Let’s see !! 🙂
The hayseeds of the Finance Ministry are arithmetically sooo correct. The stalling of One Rank One Pension to the Armed forces Veterans, PB4 to all Lt Col and HAG plus to Lt Gens is going to cost the exchequer about
• one third of the Fodder scam or
• 5% of the Telecom Band with scam or
• 6 % of the Bofors scam or 1% of the siphoned loot from the loan waivers to farmers and economy stimuli or.
• 001% of the bribe paid to bureaucrats and Politicians every year.
BUT what these smart Alecs cannot comprehend is that one dumb Lt Gen or Lt Col and you loose
• Hundreds of sq kms of territory which will take years to resolve. (Arunachal, J&K etc.)
• Destruction of Crores of military hardware and national assets over a period of 14 days which will take the Nation over a decade to rebuild. Hardware of one military unit destroyed due to poor strategic leadership by Lt Gens and pathetic tactical implementation by Lt Cols will be heaps more than the annual outflow which would have been saved by not degrading the Armed forces and Veterans.
• Another 1000 years of foreign rule.
• The loss of trust by the Military due to the treatment of their future – the Veterans – priceless.
welcome back shiv,u have lots of pending work to do .please get going on the so called new year gift .
The Lt Cols suddenly given extra pay after some Govt attorney re read
” The Proceedings on the Trial of Muhammad (Manmohan) Bahadur Shah”
FINDING
The Court, on the evidence before them, are of the opinion that the Prisoner Muhammad Bahadur Shah Zafar, Ex -King of Delhi, is GUILTY of All and EVERY part of the Charges preferred against him.
signed ….
M.Dawes, Lieut.-Col, President
Delhi
The 9th March 1858
F.J. Harriot, Major
Deputy Judge Advocate General
Any NEWS regarding DACP for Defence Doctors and Col(TS) for AMC, post implementation of AVSC-2?
The solution now is for veterans to approach the courts for OROP.Discrimination courts will not permit. IAS has already allowed themselves the facility. For serving pers for release also Courts are the remedy. The Govt has shifted the goal posts as regards equality in pay scales and status compared to the time when the life time slavery bond was signed. So they cannot hold on to it for full Cols and Brigs.As for the PM his announcement is an eye wash. He is trying to give an order to the next to next elected Govt.What a Joke. And our service chiefs also have given up. Poor blokes.
Notice that ESM Leader General Emeritus(sh) Kadyan Bhai is now going to get into politics !!!
(Tribune middle 10 Jan 2009)
Ride the ESM movement, get arrested, use Media, and presto Limelight !!!!
Sound planning ?
Read Kadyan’s book on the Indian Army “The Lies that win Promotions in the Army “
Anonymous said…
Notice that ESM Leader General Emeritus(sh) Kadyan Bhai is now going to get into politics !!!
Trying to create an element of discord?
You are the type of Jokers who don’t mind electing a foreign Madamme as the Leader of your govt and you want to create a ripple when Gen Kadyan wants to lead the ESM to their righful place and bring back National pride. Maybe it is your genes that brought in the British and the Moghuls while opening the ramparts to let the invaders attack
THIS GOVT. CAN GIVE 2000 CRORES TO BAIL OUT SATYAM SINCE ITS ILLGOTTEN WEALTH IS STASHED THERE – BUT THEY CANNOT GIVE HALF THAT AMOUNT TO REGAINING THE HONOUR AND DIGNITY OF THE ARMED FORCES AND EX SERVICEMEN.
WHAT MORE CAN YOU EXPECT FROM THIS CONGRESS OF ITALIAN ARSE-LICKERS
Shibu soren has been kicked in his arse, yet he wants to cling around- thanks to this congress govt! Does he not make money for the elections? Satyam’s bandicoot runs away with millions. The Govt handles him in kidgloves! They are in a hurry to bail out Satyam (all sympathies and best wishes to the staff) Poor country, the heart of this govt beats differently for different people. They cannot agree to OROP. They can queer the pitch for the defence forces, can tinker with their morale, be hoodwinked by pakistan, and finally win the election on false promises! God save this nation!
Anony 10:58 AM
Notice that ESM Leader General Emeritus(sh) Kadyan Bhai is now going to get into politics !!!
(Tribune middle 10 Jan 2009)
Ride the ESM movement, get arrested, use Media, and presto Limelight !!!!
This seems to be much like the Pragmatic Cacophony blog by one Sushant k Singh of Live mint and other such spices and herbs fame. In his latest at bitching he writes –
‘we see the many veterans cling on to create ludicrous designations like Lieutenant General (Emeritus)’.
He started the blog to instigate disgruntled military officers to air their dirty linen in public which could thereafter be used to malign them and create a data input for his masters. The instigation and collation of the CPO/PMF and MES rift has also been the machinations of his blog. Now his latest post ‘A patch on the arm not needed for honour’ aims at creating a rift between Veterans and Servicemen. Smart move but not quite enough. Most of the agitators are his cronies who channelise the cacophony in the garb of pseudo intellectualism. Unfortunately the officers were fiercely loyal to their organisation and country and lambasted the government machinery for whom he pimped. Soon he was like a prostitute glorifying her whoring while telling the world that they were immoral.
however for defence docotr govt is giving 02 assured promotion i.e capt to maj n maj to lt col….n for board they have to weight for 22ys of service…already median age of joining army for doc r 28 yrs..so a army doc become full col at a age of 50 yrs…however other arms including dental corps become full col at 14 yrs of service,their median age of joining is 23 yrs,so they become full col at 37 yrs of median age…however all central gov doc become full col level at 6 yrs of service including dental,vetenerary n aurvedic doc…what the treatment getting AMC corps..DACP file already in the dustbin of army chief office
now if dental,vetenary,aurvedic,homeopathic and medical specilist joined any central gov job,he/she will be in pay band iv in 2 yrs of service and getting three assured promotion with 10000 gd pay in 13 yrs of service,however in AMC he/she have to wait for 13 yrs to come in pay band iv and only two assured promotion nad 95% will never reached to a 10000 gd pay,i thing now any docotr will try for all service and AMC will be the last choice,its not affect the present AMC docotr morale but affect the good docotr breed in AMC,not the AMC will suffer but all patient will suffer
I built Rome,I'll burn it and play violin while it's burning..I am Nero.
Neros are seemingly omnipresent now,specially in our Republic.
We did build an excellent organization,now we are going to ruin it because we are afraid of its excellent status.
One of the best integrated medical facilities on earth,is becoming deficient of its best raw material,that is,its best brains.The process has started.
You can hardly find fresh medical graduates from top medical colleges in the country joining Army for pure passion now a days.You can notice a drastic fall in the number of applicants for departmental permanent commission,which was earlier considered to have the most difficult conversion ratio.Just see statistics.
We have built world class institutes like AFMC,R&R,Ashwani,CHAF Bangalore because we possess the best brains so far and we have taken care of them so far.You can find how many top generals ministers and top bureaucrats taking health care facility in R&R,preferring it to AIIMS or any other hospital abroad.
NOW WE HAVE STARTED DENYING THEM THEIR PLACE,DENIED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM,DENIED TO HONOR THEIR PARITY AND SO IT IS NOT SURPRISING WHY THEY WILL NO BRAINS LEFT,AND NO BRAINS COMING TO CONTINUE THE LEGACY.BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT JUST SAINTS,THEY ALSO HAVE THEIR LITTLE EGO.
Post independence, the career of a doctor in army was just kingsize. 6yrs of ante date seniority,assured promotion to ONE STEP AHEAD than others.The life savers' morale was high.
Seemingly,number of medical graduated in the country has increased manifold.Mushrooming number of private medical colleges,MBBS from Russia,China,Ukraine and other foreign country being the reason.
We have doctor everywhere,but let me remind you,you just cant persuade the best brain to join the forces now because you have denied them their due.
AV Singh Committee I & II didn't take care of them at all.Now 6th Pay Commission's mistreatment:the organization has been hammered badly.
You won't see any more MAMC,KGMC,BJMC,LHMC graduates in army but graduates from some tin-shed private medical medical college or some Chinese MBBS.
All our Army officers,their spouses,their kids,their families will continue to get treatment from some doctors day and night ,but let me assure you,NOT from the best brains.