i saw a superb set of lines in bharat-rakshak website about tejas. i want to quote those lines now. "those who flew her(tejas) never criticised her; those who criticised her never flew her" credits to the person who found it.
If you must involve international partner you must; but this is what got us a lot of delays in the tejas program. I wish they would'nt.
This projet will definately allow India to be competitive with the best. However, other nations would not want this. So, I definately expect delays in this program once international partners are involve.
All possible efforts shall be made to expedite this project to avoid redundancy at later stages. The scientists can do it with flexible modular approach.
Ever wondered why the likes of AW & ST never publish any interviews with any prospective end-user, like the Indian Air Force, for instance? If AW & ST had done that, then it would have realise exactly how naive it is to expect the ADA to get US$2 billion in R & D funds over the next three years when ADA itself is unsure of completing the AMCA's project definition phase over the next 10 years! And where's the IAF's ASQR for the AMCA, without which the MoD will never sanction even Rs1 for the AMCA project? And why on earth would Sweden's Saab want to partner ADA for the AMCA, when Saab is committed to the Neuron UCAV project, meaning after the Gripen NG, the next-generation combat aircraft to emerge from Saab will be an unmanned combat platform? No wonder Saab refused to make any silly comments about a nonsensical story! This entire AW & ST story smacks of a mafia-type collusion (to force the MoD into a fait accompli) between the ADA wallahs and the Bangalore Defense and Aerospace Journalists’ Forum wannabes.
Navy interested. Hurray. We will surely see the AMCA take off, fight, win and land on the Aircraft carriers of Indian Navy. Thumbs up to the Indian Navy. Go Navy.
Design almost similar to F-22 . HAL/DRDO scientists please think out of the box if you want to make latest generation weapons and not lagging generation weapons.
Please unlock that dead imagination from some corner of your mind and imagine that AMCA can look different from F-22 and still do better. Lets remove the "Cut Copy paste " professionals tag stuck to us.
Frankly, the earlier delta-shaped 'Tailless-LCA-with-2engines' design would have been the logical way forward since we could have saved that much more time, energy and money. We aleady have the LCA MK1 and we are going to build a bigger LCA MK2 so why couldn't we just have gone ahead and made an even bigger version of the same design with stealth features built in — just as was first proposed and the same way the pakis are doing with the JF-17? Why did we have to change the MCA into an F-35 look alike?
I would feel that the lessons from the Late Combat Aircraft programme have been learnt only if:-
1)ADA/DRDO starts off on the AMCA programme in colaboration with foreign partners. 2)The engine for the AMCA is designed/selected keeping in mind that the so-called '20-ton' AMCA might eventually weigh about 30-35 tons. 3)ADA/DRDO shuts their mouth from now on and lets us know only after the AMCA prototype is ready for FOC instead of keeping us waiting with fancy articles in newspapers and magazines saying "Hum yeh karenge, hum woh karenge, abhi aayega-abhi aayega".
@Prasun Sengupta: Well informed people like you talk so silly…I am surprised. Its Saab that has shown willingness to join our agencies for next generation fighters. It was an invitation from Saab not request from India. The reason is so simple and well known to every Jingo that MMRCA results are not out yet.
To [email protected]: Nowhere in the AWST writeup is it written that Saab has "shown willingness to join our agencies for next-generation fighters'. There's no word anywhere from Saab to indicate its willingness or unwillingness to join any India-based agency/entity for next-generation fighters. Stick to specifics and you'll discover that all this hype on the AMCA coming out from ADA or other Bangalore-based Jingos is just hot air without substance.
Foreign partnership is the best way to see this project materialise in a reasonable timeframe. Sweden, France, South Korea and Japan are all exploring 20-ton class stealth fighter concepts. We should partner up with Saab and Dassault for critical technologies like sensor fusion, AESA radars and stealth coatings. In any case we are already going to use a French engine(Kaveri-ECO with M88 core).
Looks like Prasun got shown up, AGAIN! I wonder how this man can call himself a serious defense correspondent when he keeps making such silly mistakes again and again
Another example of Vincent Justus Burnelli's Lifting Fuselage Design. (Born/Temple/TX 1895) See http://www.burnelli.com/Welcome.html for examples. Designers all over the world have used this design for military planes for decades, F-14, F-15, F-22, etc. It's time to take it to the next level, e.g., cargo and airline transport. The BWB/X-48 now in testing is about half as efficient and costs twice as much. If we're going to change air transport for the next 100 years, why not do it the best way known. The BWB ain't it.
French defence and aerospace conglomerate Safran is in advanced negotiations to jointly develop a fighter jet with India in a deal worth 500-700 million euros.
i am very sure that valuable lessons learnt from tejas will help india to build a phenominal machine.all the best to all scientists.
i saw a superb set of lines in bharat-rakshak website about tejas. i want to quote those lines now.
"those who flew her(tejas) never criticised her;
those who criticised her never flew her"
credits to the person who found it.
Seems the engine exhausts are as stiff as rods? where is the room for 3D TVC control?
@ anon @ 559PM
this is the non TVC version…..abe Model hai
PS: how come u didnt ask about the cockpit not being made of something one could see through!!!
If you must involve international partner you must; but this is what got us a lot of delays in the tejas program. I wish they would'nt.
This projet will definately allow India to be competitive with the best. However, other nations would not want this. So, I definately expect delays in this program once international partners are involve.
hey guys check bharat-rakshak
"india has produced the most powerful non-nuclear explosive named cl-20"
cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
taxpayer check thi video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX4W-goLSIo
Shiv Saar when are u starting your Forum. I am tried of wasting my time on PDF and interacting with stupid Abdul from across the Borders.
its only a modell…the real thing might look very different
All possible efforts shall be made to expedite this project to avoid redundancy at later stages. The scientists can do it with flexible modular approach.
Anonymous at 5:59 PM.
Have you ever seen a wind tunnel model with TVNs?
Indranil
And oh by the way this model doesn't have flaps, ailerons.
And oh my the elevators are fixed and so are the rudders.
Its intakes are blocked.
How will it move?
Indranil
Ever wondered why the likes of AW & ST never publish any interviews with any prospective end-user, like the Indian Air Force, for instance? If AW & ST had done that, then it would have realise exactly how naive it is to expect the ADA to get US$2 billion in R & D funds over the next three years when ADA itself is unsure of completing the AMCA's project definition phase over the next 10 years! And where's the IAF's ASQR for the AMCA, without which the MoD will never sanction even Rs1 for the AMCA project? And why on earth would Sweden's Saab want to partner ADA for the AMCA, when Saab is committed to the Neuron UCAV project, meaning after the Gripen NG, the next-generation combat aircraft to emerge from Saab will be an unmanned combat platform? No wonder Saab refused to make any silly comments about a nonsensical story!
This entire AW & ST story smacks of a mafia-type collusion (to force the MoD into a fait accompli) between the ADA wallahs and the Bangalore Defense and Aerospace Journalists’ Forum wannabes.
Its certainly a demanding task.
But TEJAS experience could give our scientists a valuable help.
Navy interested. Hurray. We will surely see the AMCA take off, fight, win and land on the Aircraft carriers of Indian Navy. Thumbs up to the Indian Navy. Go Navy.
First, the GE 414 was finalized for the Tejas Mk2
Now, SAAB is being roped in for the AMCA project.
Looks like Gripen NG is what the IAF will get as the MMRCA.
@Prasun
IAF has already issued ASQR for AMCA. Please troll this blog.
Design almost similar to F-22 . HAL/DRDO scientists please think out of the box if you want to make latest generation weapons and not lagging generation weapons.
Please unlock that dead imagination from some corner of your mind and imagine that AMCA can look different from F-22 and still do better. Lets remove the "Cut Copy paste " professionals tag stuck to us.
Frankly, the earlier delta-shaped 'Tailless-LCA-with-2engines' design would have been the logical way forward since we could have saved that much more time, energy and money. We aleady have the LCA MK1 and we are going to build a bigger LCA MK2 so why couldn't we just have gone ahead and made an even bigger version of the same design with stealth features built in — just as was first proposed and the same way the pakis are doing with the JF-17? Why did we have to change the MCA into an F-35 look alike?
I would feel that the lessons from the Late Combat Aircraft programme have been learnt only if:-
1)ADA/DRDO starts off on the AMCA programme in colaboration with foreign partners.
2)The engine for the AMCA is designed/selected keeping in mind that the so-called '20-ton' AMCA might eventually weigh about 30-35 tons.
3)ADA/DRDO shuts their mouth from now on and lets us know only after the AMCA prototype is ready for FOC instead of keeping us waiting with fancy articles in newspapers and magazines saying "Hum yeh karenge, hum woh karenge, abhi aayega-abhi aayega".
@ anon @ 453..
then you will say kuch nahi ho raha hai
show us some results..
@mathi man
have you wondered why so many a/c look so similar…
might have something to do with applying the same laws of physics
@Prasun Sengupta: Well informed people like you talk so silly…I am surprised. Its Saab that has shown willingness to join our agencies for next generation fighters. It was an invitation from Saab not request from India. The reason is so simple and well known to every Jingo that MMRCA results are not out yet.
To [email protected]: Nowhere in the AWST writeup is it written that Saab has "shown willingness to join our agencies for next-generation fighters'. There's no word anywhere from Saab to indicate its willingness or unwillingness to join any India-based agency/entity for next-generation fighters. Stick to specifics and you'll discover that all this hype on the AMCA coming out from ADA or other Bangalore-based Jingos is just hot air without substance.
Is it Prasun? I wonder why you even not visited gripen's official webpage.
"Saab is willing to enter a joint venture with Indian Aerospace Industry with the aim to develop the next generation of fighters (MCA)"
http://www.gripen.com/en/GripenFighter/Gripen_Campaigns/Gripen_ng_for_india.htm
Foreign partnership is the best way to see this project materialise in a reasonable timeframe. Sweden, France, South Korea and Japan are all exploring 20-ton class stealth fighter concepts. We should partner up with Saab and Dassault for critical technologies like sensor fusion, AESA radars and stealth coatings. In any case we are already going to use a French engine(Kaveri-ECO with M88 core).
Looks like Prasun got shown up, AGAIN! I wonder how this man can call himself a serious defense correspondent when he keeps making such silly mistakes again and again
Another example of Vincent Justus Burnelli's Lifting Fuselage Design. (Born/Temple/TX 1895) See http://www.burnelli.com/Welcome.html for examples. Designers all over the world have used this design for military planes for decades, F-14, F-15, F-22, etc. It's time to take it to the next level, e.g., cargo and airline transport. The BWB/X-48 now in testing is about half as efficient and costs twice as much. If we're going to change air transport for the next 100 years, why not do it the best way known. The BWB ain't it.
News Flash :
SAFRAN
French defence and aerospace conglomerate Safran is in advanced negotiations to jointly develop a fighter jet with India in a deal worth 500-700 million euros.
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20101207/tbs-india-france-deals-02c71ef.html