but we lack political will..most likely someone in political circles will leak/sell the info ..if we could have done it..would have been done long back..also as per reports dawood has been smuggles to central asia by isi after geronimo.
Indian leadership does not have guts to do this. They are inviting Pakistan for talk. I want to ask, did USA invited Taliban for talk after 9/11. No, They just attacked Taliban in Afghanistan, thousands mile away from their country. But India could not attack terrorist camp in POK even after many terrorist attacks in different parts of country including parliament attack, 26/11.
The only reason is our Political leaders are coward. We need someone like Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose or Sardar Patel.
doesnt sound that easy if they get caught in the middle by PAK intelligence. but then again our commandos are highly trained they can get out of every situation
Pointless discussion this guy has showed India the middle finger since the late 1980s nobody is interested in taking him out…Point is India we tend to overestimate ourselves first get a leader who has some basic knowledge what an army can do..
Wishful thinking at best. And just 12? Wow!! Shiv, who is the author of this silliness? Why is our media going so downhill, so fast? Sad. The MARCOS are laughing for sure.
Whoever wrote this piece off crap is suffering from fantasy and has seen 'Black SUnday' (1976) , Munich ()2004) too many times besides reading up on Israeli Special Forces. He or she doesn't know the basic facts of life – you don't go in and come out the same way. Its the basic of military patrolling = the SF guys would do it far differently. Truly ridiculous and shows the state of things in our media
And use an expensive Kilo class sub for this job? Truly ridiculous. We dont have any kind of leverage. It would also lead to war . This is worse than a comic book fantasy!
I feel MAIL Today's plan may become a good joke here….
While US & its Govt US Osama in distant Pakistan, Forget Dawood Ibrahim Our Govt. led by UPA seems to be thinking of whether to eliminate Kasab & Afzal Guru or not(oops! it costs their vote bank)..
Feel Media group like HT should find answers from Govt. for the above question of most Indians…
And even if we do something daring, the next day we will have some politician spewing out communal stuff about "Dawoodji" being not treated properly despite he being an Indian 😛 .
Utter rubbish …. our politicians wont even risk developing a spy network inside pakistan. Building castles in the air like this is bad even for armchair experts .
rubber boat, hired bus !! I think Indian special forces can move much quicker and stealthier than what is described here.
But to eliminate Dawood, it doesn't have to be as dramatic as this. It neither needs special forces nor kilo subs. All it needs is a single RAW agent with license to kill. Get a visitor visa to Pakistan, watch for Dawood's movements, nail him with a sniper rifle or plant half a dozen cell phone operated bombs acquired from contacts within Pakistan, around Dawood's house.
Job done. It would look like personal rivalry rather than involvement of India.
Even if such a plan which looks like the work of a simpleton is feasible, the dhoti wearing, paan chewing and biskoot munching babooos would be shitting bricks at the very audacity of it.
From MMS down the line they do not have the guts (balls) to mount such an attack. They are only good at pacifying the Porkis and downplaying any incursions of the Chinks along our border.
Wonder whether MMS would even order any covert action against our enemies.
WHY TRY TO DREAM BIG,,, AS US HAS DONE WE CAN ALSO DO. INDIA KNOWS DAWOOD IN PAK, FOR ATLEAST FEW YEARS,, ADMIT IT , WE R NOT US, WE DON HAVE BALLS TO DO SUCH OPERATION.
think about enemy counter intelligence first. u want to despatch commandos on enemy land without any support huh i dont want another eagle claw i have an another option is to launch a brahmos over them .even though ur mission is quite stealthy it would be detected atleast by gunfire by that time their cobras would be airborne and our guys would be …..
1. Drink Arjunarishta first to embolden the hearts.
2. Then practice any plans separately with Afjal and Kasab.
3. The Single RAW agent theory is correct. If a single man with right weapon, right time, right place and right providence can not do it, then a whole army can not do it.
4. It has to look like an infighting among terrorists in the name of some almighty.
Well,a operation like this can lose India diplomatic support and Pakistan can justify its weapon buying spree and will create more problems.Killing Dawood can cause more problems than he ever caused when he is alive.So Stop thinking and dreaming abt such an idiot operations,without think about its diplomatic implications.Idiotic media and their stupid creative,political,and international analyst and people.Well Indian media is a joke itself
Classic diagram of a DAY DREAMING sequence. A middle school student who plays games, can tell that this mission will undoubtly fail. Objective will not be met. & The entire team will be annihilated including the capture or destruction of KILO. Shiv!! Think something realistic.
By the way, Submarines r not suitable for this kind of attacks., we hv to recover fast, we need any aircraft.
If practicaly see, Our politician r busy only saving their parties not the Nation. & beaurocrats r busy to fill their pockets with money. Aise desh ka kabhi bhala nahi ho sakta. And actualy politicians are not human being. They worst then 'JANAWAR'.
Ye sab karne k liye armed forces ko ministries pe kabu kar k, apne ko strong banana padega.
this plan is too simplistic with lots of loopholes/ problems. from 1 to 2 the kilo should be at least within 5 km of Karachi to effect the infiltration; the kilo having to contend with multi layer harbour/ shallow water defenses typical of a major port. from 2 to 3 it should take at least 1-2hrs depending on tides (if you are using oars for low noise/ stealthy approach) from 3 to 4 it may take 2-3hrs depending on traffic/check posts/ random traffic checking (very risky). from 4 to 5, locating inhouse defenses, heavily armed sentries, overcoming perimeter & internal defense , locating target, eliminating target…. phew.. should be a greater part of a couple of hours. then from 5 to 1 or rather 4 to 1… you think you can come back alive. with all the due respect to the capabilities of our spl forces, it would probably take a battalion of them to get may be a company back home… and i am not just taking about pakistan.. you do it in Myanmaar you would most probably get the same results.
A surgical strike would be more safer or firing a Brahmos missile from a Submarine on Dawood's hideout in Karachi.If the IAF had a stealth plane like B2 ,F-117 or F-22 D.I. would have been eliminated much earlier.
Guys this was intended as a joke and let's take it on face value. Besides, for all those busting the indian politician's balls, even though I'm in tune with you but just think about this for a sec………..what if Pakistan's geographical location was where Mexico is? You think the US gov will have the balls to carry out such an op? With 100 odd Nukes accross the border? This is not an option for India. We can never do it. It's not about having the balls to do it or not, I think it's going to be highly irresponsible………..cheers.
Indian Babus lack a back bone to begin with. Any why do we have to do a copy everything that the west does. Heck if our babus had the b*lls, they would have never negotiated with the terriorists when the IA place was hijacked in I think 1999. The people of our country demanded that Govt. submit to the terriorists, and the Govt. did. How in the world would I ever imagine that Indian babus have a spine to even imagine such a thing.
Also, about Dawood. Dawood lived in India for the longest time, the Indian Govt. didn't bother to capture him them. Now he lives in PAK, so the babus are making big noise, why… to score political points, that's all. The problem is with our babus and our people. We do not have the stomach to fight when the fight comes to our door-step. And, then we blame the other side for it. If we punched the nose the first time they even flinch, such idiotic and imaginary operations would not be necessary.
Put sleeping pills in karachi municipal corporation water supply.
Then the entire city will sleep while Indian SF can saunter in, kill, take pictures with dawood's body, do a dna test then and there, hold a press conference and walk back enjoying the sea breeze.
SHIV FIRST STOP READING SUCH NEWSPAPER WE GET A LOT OF THESE ON THE STREET THE SECOND PAGE HAS A STORY OF COW WITH 7 LEGS OR SO. SECOND TELL THE NEWPAPER PEOPLE THAT SENDING SUB IS NO OPTION AS PAKIS HAVE PC3 ORIONS, PAKIES ALWAYS LOOK TOWARDS THE EAST NEVER THE WEST THERE IS THE HINT. OPS SUCH AS THESE REQUIRE MONTHS OF PLANNING AS THE SPECIAL FORCES CANNOT BE SENT INSIDE PAK IT WILL BE UPTO RAW IB OR OTHER FRACTIONS OF THE SECRET SERVICES. IF A SECRET SERVICES PERSONEL IS CAPTURED INDIA WILL HAVE TO DENY KNOWING HIM THE USE OF GUNS IS SECONDARY OPTION. TELL THE NEWSPAPER WE HAVE COWS WITH 14 LEGS 5 HEADS AND A LOT OF YOU KNOW WHAT PLEASE TEACH THEM WHAT IS KNOWLEGEBLE JOURNALISM.
I still don't get it why suddenly people in India(i know its not your plan) have started talking about surgical strike to kill our enemies.Why not do assassinations of these enemies(a more realistic approach to me)like those done by Mossad.I have full faith in Indian armed forces but a surgical strike on Karachi is day dreaming.Surgical strikes are meant for terrorists near our borders and not in the midst of their biggest city. However i think political as well as economical support for RAW should increase so that they can operate in a better way in Pakistan.To say that RAW or our political leaders aren't letting them do anything is also wrong as whatever they do will not come in news for like 20 years…
Now this is what pisses me off. Stupid MungeriLal having Haassiin sapne.
And the worst part is
Other MungeriLals capitalizing on it.
Put SLEEPING PILLS IN WATER SUPPLY? DO you know how much ZOLPIDEM TARTERATE( drug substance of sleeping pill) YOU NEED FOR THAT? Missile fired from Gujarat? R U F***in KIDDING ME?????
Aur abt to RAJNIKAANT ko bhagvaan ke liye chood do. 😀
Here is a food for thought for all the MungeriLaLs who are fans of Bollywood action movies.
Aisa hi chalta raha to pakistan next 8-10 saal main khud khatm ho jaye ga attack kar ke marte hue pakistan ko oxygen dene ka kaam hum kyun kare…??? We just need to send thousands of raw agents in pakistan to eat them internally…!!!
i dont know why all people are making fun of the details…if a kasab and party can easily enter the Indian harbor why cant a special force supported by subs. infact is not what they are trained for to do in war time. i am not claiming the operational aspect may be true but the thing is workable. After all pak is no impregnable fortress, you can expect at best a decent defence, not fool proof one made to stand any day against a special force strike.
But the problem here is we donot need to do this at all. US went with the SF operation because it didnt have the surity whether OBL is there if he is there what sort of undiscovered defences he will have. Being the supremo of one of the most feared organisation the US will never risk it. Do you guys think the mafia will be so loyal to D like relegiously loyal followers of Osama? Also the aspect of extraction may not work…the gun shots will defenitely alert the pak security and we have no diplomatic upperhand like US over Pak. so even a stone throw will result in war, unlike US who doesnt have much to fear.
One should approve more of covert operation which CIA does for some of the Queda leaders, the commando operations are not norm but the last resort. Hire hench men from Rajan gang, train them and help them with covert execution.
But again the trouble is we dont have a culture of hunting down enemies (and we should not have also i beleive). for these covert operations will one day will become our enemies once they go out of hand, like CIA in the 60s and 70s.
we had ample chances to catch him here but we didnt use it. now what benefit is there to kill him at risk of war, after all he is just opportunist and not ideological icon like Osama. his killing will have no effect on mafia helping terrorist at the sake of pak intelligence.
I think we Indians are dumb – comparing ourselves to Americans. If you change the title of this graphic to say : "Pakistan's Op Geronimo Against CST, Taj and Oberio hotels" — the same sequence of events ships coming from Karachi to Mumbai, carrying out their ops, and killing 168 people. And funny thing is we are still discussing, but ofcourse don't wake up Mr. Singh, he might have a heartattack doing anything against his friends in Pakistan.
Outsourcing is the in-thing, the mantra nowadays. When Americans outsource some of their work to Indians, why can't we oursource some dirty work like eleminating terrorist scums to the thousands of disgruntled ex-SEALS, SAS, SPETSNAZ or the Moro rebels to take care of Dawood Ibrahim, etc?
State sponsored terrorism implemented by non-state actors is the modus operandi as per the Porkis. Just pay them back in the same coin.
Later when the deed is done, go on a diplomatic drive and claim innocence. Just claim our religion is a peaceful one which does not tolerate violence and terrorism. It could be done but we Indians do not even have the will power to launch a peaceful diplomatic offencive.
Thank you Shiv for coming up with a very entertaining, though a bit naive, piece of Bollywood covert operational drama.
I dont think a person like Dawood will be sitting at a house and shagging with his 3 wives like Osama…he has lot of business interests outside Pakistan…his daughter is getting married in Dubai..son studying in UK..i think there are ways to bring him out of Pakistan and take him out..provided our secret services and politicians have the will…
All those in support of Chota Rajan must know this that chota rajan is already on the bankrolls of either IB or RAW & the shooters of Chota rajan somewhere during late 90's hatch the plan to kill Dawood. With indian intelligence support they were able to pinpoint the location of Dawood & as such they hatch a plan of shoot & run. The place chosen was a shopping complex in Karachi which Dawood was suppose to visit & shooters were placed there. Dawood visited that place but such was the security provided by ISI that they could'nt muster enough courage to shoot him. Finally he went away & i have no idea about other assassination attempts on his life. Also the covert strike team of RAW was shut down by the then prime minister I K Gujral who,it appears to me, thinks himself to be the "greatest statesman". Still today that loss is felt & echoed in indian intelligence community.
Ha Ha Ha !! ROTFALMAO. which know-it-all chairbone/keyboard commando came up with this plan ? you should send this plan to somebody like NDTV to burn a couple of tv hours discussing this plan.
Boy, this plan smacks of a direct lift from the Hollywood movie 'Navy SEALS'…sub, commandos, hired bus, returning to the same spot and getting back into sub. Whoever worked out this plan hasn't made efforts to be imaginative. It really needs imagination and political will to carry out an Op Geronimo.
Second Option: Navy MARCOS, need to plan about extraction.
Third Option: "Paint" (laser marking)the house where Dawood is staying, IAF of INS can bomb from fighter jets flying low,evading PAK radar from air bases close to border.
@Anonymous Better plans are always welcome, we want to kill him anyway….BTW Dawood is so scared that he is shifting his son's wedding to Dubai(according to a leading newspaper)….Maybe we could do a MOSSAD….:-P
Guys just wait for another 30 years. Age will catch up and "kill" him. Btw, we can use the same tactic with a lot of other bad people we don't like.Our babus have a lot of patience in dealing with terror.
No doubt that MARCOS are capable of doing this better than depicted in the picture but I would still insist of accomplishing it using espionage as it would prevent any long term conflict and innumerable lives.
This particular plan has got to be the worst plan ever written. First of all……the plan doesn't place much emphasis on the lives of the commandoes involved. It sort of expects them to be expendable which itself becomes a liability. Send a raft thru pakistani waters is considered stealth? I don;t know if I should laugh or cry? This very act would ruin any element of surprise. Why isn;t the author considering the use of Mini Submersibles and the use of rebreather oxygen tanks to get to shore? Where is the input of HUMNIT? Someone should b around the area monitoring the comings and goings at all times. Quite frankly, after the OBL covert op, it is not a good idea to even go into Pakistan. We should remain quiet and make the necessary plans to attack in the future. We should look into building a stealthier Heli but that may be unfeasible within the timeframe required. I would propose a two man suicide squad armed with mortars and IEDS. Instead of focusing on Pakistan, we should consider taking Dawood in UAE for his son's wedding. This would present itself as a prime opportunity. In fact, Dawood needs to get one message clear like Saddam. Mess with India, and your children will not be spared. That my friends is the key, by hitting his family we will force him to react irrationally and then use that against him. Taking a bloody school bus thru the streets of Pakistan is not covert, it is ridiculous. It seems a toddler came up with this 'textbook plan.' However a bus loaded with one "thermobaric bomb" and one lone commando on a suicide mission would work. It would level the entire vicinity of the Dawood residence. The reality is that such bombs are usually air dropped but if we could denote from the bus itself..well….NO MORE DAWOOD and co. Otherwise we could send a UAV armed with this device and crash into his residence. The UAV could be assembled and operated from a nearby location by a lone agent. Ahh….why do I even waste my breath, India lacks the guts to do so. Whatever is does, it should ensure maximum plausibility so that it could deny it at all costs.
Another idea using a smaller stealth UAV that could be armed with high grade explosive……the key would be to load it with a flammable substance so that upon entry and explosion no evidence is found just bits and pieces. Even when such a product is built, care should be taken to remove any identify marks, numbers, features. Even the design should be modified to not resemble anything in the Indian inventory. Sneak it in pieces with operatives in place. This is a long term operation that requires detailed planning. I would say use the hardest part is getting the operative out alive. A min sub in a predetermined place would be ideal but too sure. or trek to Afghanistan and pick up there. More planning in this stage is required…..
Hahahaha… didn't I tell ya "now our secret plan is out Dawood will run away…" (Anonymous @ 1:26 PM) looks like he's closely watching Livefist for his security updates…hehehe 😛
Well, the plan could be improved upon for timing and precision. Let us not underestimate our special forces. Well one thing could we do not have the right helis to do such an operation. A team of MARCOS, SFF and 9th Pars should very convincingly take out D.
Well…looks like the 2 persons who have created this graphic: Mr. Mukesh Sharma and Mr. Sunil Singh are complete nitwits.
In the name of sensational reporting, do we find such absolute ridiculous theories/plans.
Enough has been mentioned about the plan, but even moreso, its quite inappropriate for the Media to keep propounding such plans. Maintaining stance…and standing by our territory effectively and ever moreso, staking claim in POK and Arunachal to counter Chinese threat is more needed. Forget Dawood..for now.
This is akin to India/DRDO research organizations announcing that they're developing something in secret(maybe not everything), but there's a probability of what we could be doing. Well, now this is open to everyone.
Biggest problem with domestic R&D has been IAF's immature attitude of demanding copy of exactly what West has. They are simply not ready to accept what they get and allow R&D to move in steps, which is normal in west and european R&D houses which are century old now. IAF behaves like a kid who want to grow up fast, but immature enough to not understand that there is no shortcut!
If IAF acts in more mature way, and stand behind the team, outcomes will be much better. R&D is all about sticking and perseverance. But IAF's attitude is – "we won't touch it. we are too lazy to participate in programe. that's not my job. we prefer roaming around in foreign airshows".
IAF has a lot to learn from PLAF and USAF, in terms of maturity. Its still far away from that stage.
life is all about learning & sticking to your efforts. Even first 20 of american GE aero-engines failed and blasted on testbeds. Did they start crying or whining? No.
You have two options in life – Live in past, cry about it, be pessimistic, beat your chest OR be positive, humble, act in mature way and stand behind your team.
So far, IAF has failed to show a mature leadership. Same is the case with Army. Navy is far more mature and have better approach to things. They focus on realities rather than living in past and being cynical, pessimistic and showing "devdas" mentality.
IAF = Indian army = Devdas. Indian Navy(IN) = A mature leadership, quite comparable to USN.
Locate the hiding of Dawood first, because ISI must be keping him in secure place and moving him time to time, most probably in or around thier military compounds, THen place a specialist controller may bee who is trained in Radio, navigation and Laser designator, He glows the target with a riding beam which will then be tracked and locked by any choice a Brahmos, Mig 25, Drone, the missle shall contain the markings of pakistan and there serial nos, and after the Attack any of our so called dignetries congratulate the Kiyanis or Jardaris for doing war aginst terror and how they uphold the socalled law of pakistan
Send Chacha Chowdhary instead.Job will be done in a better manner.
CecX Fable & Gas
Shiv: do you support such a mission by India? What is the purpose of posting this?
Ha ha ha when crickt politix play then reselt d enjoy match on tv
Khayali pulav bahut umdaa hai..
but we lack political will..most likely someone in political circles will leak/sell the info ..if we could have done it..would have been done long back..also as per reports dawood has been smuggles to central asia by isi after geronimo.
Hired Bus?
12 commandos?
And what is plan B? What is the plan for a hot extraction?
Who will be covering the commandos?
Who will be covering the bus?
Who will be covering the sub?
No idea 😀
lol.If an operation is carried in this way,it is likely to fail.
Indian Bureaucrats never had balls for such an operations, and after pak's warning they wont even think about it. They need B@@ls.
This type operations are possible by our forces , but our babu's don't allow this way of bravery act , our babus so busy in $$$
Nice, but no one in the Indian Government has the balls to do it.
Indian leadership does not have guts to do this. They are inviting Pakistan for talk. I want to ask, did USA invited Taliban for talk after 9/11. No, They just attacked Taliban in Afghanistan, thousands mile away from their country. But India could not attack terrorist camp in POK even after many terrorist attacks in different parts of country including parliament attack, 26/11.
The only reason is our Political leaders are coward. We need someone like Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose or Sardar Patel.
doesnt sound that easy if they get caught in the middle by PAK intelligence. but then again our commandos are highly trained they can get out of every situation
Pointless discussion this guy has showed India the middle finger since the late 1980s nobody is interested in taking him out…Point is India we tend to overestimate ourselves first get a leader who has some basic knowledge what an army can do..
Wishful thinking at best. And just 12? Wow!! Shiv, who is the author of this silliness? Why is our media going so downhill, so fast? Sad. The MARCOS are laughing for sure.
Whoever wrote this piece off crap is suffering from fantasy and has seen 'Black SUnday' (1976) , Munich ()2004) too many times besides reading up on Israeli Special Forces. He or she doesn't know the basic facts of life – you don't go in and come out the same way. Its the basic of military patrolling = the SF guys would do it far differently. Truly ridiculous and shows the state of things in our media
And use an expensive Kilo class sub for this job? Truly ridiculous. We dont have any kind of leverage. It would also lead to war . This is worse than a comic book fantasy!
Wishful thinking, really. Good for newspapers that need to fill pages with large color charts and diagrams without much effort to write and explain.
Btw, Saikat Dutta has done two articles in Outlook on special forces capabilities. You had tweeted about one of them. What are your views on them.
Now that the MMRCA deal is winding down might as well look at other aspects.
Hi Shivji,
I feel MAIL Today's plan may become a good joke here….
While US & its Govt US Osama in distant Pakistan, Forget Dawood Ibrahim Our Govt. led by UPA seems to be thinking of whether to eliminate Kasab & Afzal Guru or not(oops! it costs their vote bank)..
Feel Media group like HT should find answers from Govt. for the above question of most Indians…
Very funny, but I think we should not involve ourselves in such Hollywood theme plots. This looks more of a psychological taunt than a feasible plan.
some wishful thinking there.
And even if we do something daring, the next day we will have some politician spewing out communal stuff about "Dawoodji" being not treated properly despite he being an Indian 😛 .
LMAO!!! hahahahaha… oopss… now the secret plan is out Dawood will surely run away 😀 hahahahaa…
Oh what about the money we wasted of hiring the bus to carry commandos? such a waste ;P
Utter rubbish …. our politicians wont even risk developing a spy network inside pakistan. Building castles in the air like this is bad even for armchair experts .
rubber boat, hired bus !! I think Indian special forces can move much quicker and stealthier than what is described here.
But to eliminate Dawood, it doesn't have to be as dramatic as this. It neither needs special forces nor kilo subs. All it needs is a single RAW agent with license to kill. Get a visitor visa to Pakistan, watch for Dawood's movements, nail him with a sniper rifle or plant half a dozen cell phone operated bombs acquired from contacts within Pakistan, around Dawood's house.
Job done. It would look like personal rivalry rather than involvement of India.
Even if such a plan which looks like the work of a simpleton is feasible, the dhoti wearing, paan chewing and biskoot munching babooos would be shitting bricks at the very audacity of it.
From MMS down the line they do not have the guts (balls) to mount such an attack. They are only good at pacifying the Porkis and downplaying any incursions of the Chinks along our border.
Wonder whether MMS would even order any covert action against our enemies.
WHY TRY TO DREAM BIG,,, AS US HAS DONE WE CAN ALSO DO. INDIA KNOWS DAWOOD IN PAK, FOR ATLEAST FEW YEARS,, ADMIT IT , WE R NOT US, WE DON HAVE BALLS TO DO SUCH OPERATION.
IT CAN BE DONE. ONLY RAW DONE THIS WORK LIKE AS ISRAILI MOSAD.
think about enemy counter intelligence first. u want to despatch commandos on enemy land without any support huh i dont want another eagle claw i have an another option is to launch a brahmos over them .even though ur mission is quite stealthy it would be detected atleast by gunfire by that time their cobras would be airborne and our guys would be …..
1. Drink Arjunarishta first to embolden the hearts.
2. Then practice any plans separately with Afjal and Kasab.
3. The Single RAW agent theory is correct. If a single man with right weapon, right time, right place and right providence can not do it, then a whole army can not do it.
4. It has to look like an infighting among terrorists in the name of some almighty.
Well,a operation like this can lose India diplomatic support and Pakistan can justify its weapon buying spree and will create more problems.Killing Dawood can cause more problems than he ever caused when he is alive.So Stop thinking and dreaming abt such an idiot operations,without think about its diplomatic implications.Idiotic media and their stupid creative,political,and international analyst and people.Well Indian media is a joke itself
Classic diagram of a DAY DREAMING sequence.
A middle school student who plays games, can tell that this mission will undoubtly fail.
Objective will not be met.
& The entire team will be annihilated including the capture or destruction of KILO.
Shiv!! Think something realistic.
A brilliant childish idea
Nice Illusion/Dream, has seen by Shiv Last night.
By the way, Submarines r not suitable for this kind of attacks., we hv to recover fast, we need any aircraft.
If practicaly see, Our politician r busy only saving their parties not the Nation. & beaurocrats r busy to fill their pockets with money.
Aise desh ka kabhi bhala nahi ho sakta.
And actualy politicians are not human being. They worst then 'JANAWAR'.
Ye sab karne k liye armed forces ko ministries pe kabu kar k, apne ko strong banana padega.
this plan is too simplistic with lots of loopholes/ problems.
from 1 to 2 the kilo should be at least within 5 km of Karachi to effect the infiltration; the kilo having to contend with multi layer harbour/ shallow water defenses typical of a major port.
from 2 to 3 it should take at least 1-2hrs depending on tides (if you are using oars for low noise/ stealthy approach)
from 3 to 4 it may take 2-3hrs depending on traffic/check posts/ random traffic checking (very risky).
from 4 to 5, locating inhouse defenses, heavily armed sentries, overcoming perimeter & internal defense , locating target, eliminating target…. phew.. should be a greater part of a couple of hours.
then from 5 to 1 or rather 4 to 1…
you think you can come back alive. with all the due respect to the capabilities of our spl forces, it would probably take a battalion of them to get may be a company back home…
and i am not just taking about pakistan.. you do it in Myanmaar you would most probably get the same results.
bollywood style, dishum dushum…
please come. pakistan is waiting.
Nonsense! just plant a bomb at a place frequented by Dawood and detonate it when he is close.
Does not matter if there is plenty of collateral damage.
This is an insult to the meticulous planning in practice by special forces.
The objective of the creator of this "Bollywood" style plan was just to catch eyeballs and higher sales of the paper.
Though I'm sure that our armed forces/SFs have plans for such operations – but our govt and babus lead by MMS purely lack any kind of intent.
A surgical strike would be more safer or firing a Brahmos missile from a Submarine on Dawood's hideout in Karachi.If the IAF had a stealth plane like B2 ,F-117 or F-22 D.I. would have been eliminated much earlier.
The stupidest thing I ever heard. Pakis may sit quiet with US but they can not and will not sit quiet if Indians try to tickle their arse….
Militarily a good plan. Simple and workable….
but to execute it,
Indian needs entire Navy, IAF and Army and sreategic Forces to be on stand by, and …
MMS and Sonia and Shushma sitting and watching it with wide speced plenty of Urinals / bathrooms nearby..
All missiles in silos / mobile launnchers on aircrafts etc..
Good plan ..simple and workable.. Instructor type..
I was amazed at the simplicity of SEAL plan..
ha ha ha kon ci film dekhi shiv.
It's your nonsense nothing else
!!!!!
Quick clarification: this is not my story. I just saw it in the paper.
Double face palm!
Guys this was intended as a joke and let's take it on face value.
Besides, for all those busting the indian politician's balls, even though I'm in tune with you but just think about this for a sec………..what if Pakistan's geographical location was where Mexico is? You think the US gov will have the balls to carry out such an op? With 100 odd Nukes accross the border?
This is not an option for India. We can never do it. It's not about having the balls to do it or not, I think it's going to be highly irresponsible………..cheers.
Indian Babus lack a back bone to begin with. Any why do we have to do a copy everything that the west does. Heck if our babus had the b*lls, they would have never negotiated with the terriorists when the IA place was hijacked in I think 1999. The people of our country demanded that Govt. submit to the terriorists, and the Govt. did. How in the world would I ever imagine that Indian babus have a spine to even imagine such a thing.
Also, about Dawood. Dawood lived in India for the longest time, the Indian Govt. didn't bother to capture him them. Now he lives in PAK, so the babus are making big noise, why… to score political points, that's all. The problem is with our babus and our people. We do not have the stomach to fight when the fight comes to our door-step. And, then we blame the other side for it. If we punched the nose the first time they even flinch, such idiotic and imaginary operations would not be necessary.
Better request Rajnikant to kill Dawood from Chennai itself ;-)))))
Instead bankroll Chota Rajan and he will finish the job !
There is one way to make it work.
Put sleeping pills in karachi municipal corporation water supply.
Then the entire city will sleep while Indian SF can saunter in, kill, take pictures with dawood's body, do a dna test then and there, hold a press conference and walk back enjoying the sea breeze.
Too much Risk in this plan.
I will prefer to fire land-version of Bramos from Gujarat. And achieve the same objective.
SHIV FIRST STOP READING SUCH NEWSPAPER WE GET A LOT OF THESE ON THE STREET THE SECOND PAGE HAS A STORY OF COW WITH 7 LEGS OR SO.
SECOND TELL THE NEWPAPER PEOPLE THAT SENDING SUB IS NO OPTION AS PAKIS HAVE PC3 ORIONS, PAKIES ALWAYS LOOK TOWARDS THE EAST NEVER THE WEST THERE IS THE HINT. OPS SUCH AS THESE REQUIRE MONTHS OF PLANNING AS THE SPECIAL FORCES CANNOT BE SENT INSIDE PAK IT WILL BE UPTO RAW IB OR OTHER FRACTIONS OF THE SECRET SERVICES.
IF A SECRET SERVICES PERSONEL IS CAPTURED INDIA WILL HAVE TO DENY KNOWING HIM THE USE OF GUNS IS SECONDARY OPTION. TELL THE NEWSPAPER WE HAVE COWS WITH 14 LEGS 5 HEADS AND A LOT OF YOU KNOW WHAT PLEASE TEACH THEM WHAT IS KNOWLEGEBLE JOURNALISM.
I still don't get it why suddenly people in India(i know its not your plan) have started talking about surgical strike to kill our enemies.Why not do assassinations of these enemies(a more realistic approach to me)like those done by Mossad.I have full faith in Indian armed forces but a surgical strike on Karachi is day dreaming.Surgical strikes are meant for terrorists near our borders and not in the midst of their biggest city.
However i think political as well as economical support for RAW should increase so that they can operate in a better way in Pakistan.To say that RAW or our political leaders aren't letting them do anything is also wrong as whatever they do will not come in news for like 20 years…
hiring chota rajan is a very good plan , just read achivements by chota rajan against dawood .
our governament has deactivated RAW wing to do its coverts operation.If we give power to them our raw agents will rock entire pakistan
Now this is what pisses me off.
Stupid MungeriLal having Haassiin sapne.
And the worst part is
Other MungeriLals capitalizing on it.
Put SLEEPING PILLS IN WATER SUPPLY? DO you know how much ZOLPIDEM TARTERATE( drug substance of sleeping pill) YOU NEED FOR THAT? Missile fired from Gujarat?
R U F***in KIDDING ME?????
Aur abt to RAJNIKAANT ko bhagvaan ke liye chood do. 😀
Here is a food for thought for all the MungeriLaLs who are fans of Bollywood action movies.
"Bhaiya, there are no Re-takes in real life"
Love
The Real Indian Taxpayer.
Brilliant! We can even give the op a fancy name, like "Operation Eagle Claw II"
Pass me whatever these guys are drinking. must Dhamaka stuff..LOL
Aisa hi chalta raha to pakistan next 8-10 saal main khud khatm ho jaye ga attack kar ke marte hue pakistan ko oxygen dene ka kaam hum kyun kare…??? We just need to send thousands of raw agents in pakistan to eat them internally…!!!
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what a stupid posting!
What kind of grass are we living on?
We should try to outsource this job to Americans. They would be glad to be on the other end of the outsourcing process.
i dont know why all people are making fun of the details…if a kasab and party can easily enter the Indian harbor why cant a special force supported by subs.
infact is not what they are trained for to do in war time. i am not claiming the operational aspect may be true but the thing is workable. After all pak is no impregnable fortress, you can expect at best a decent defence, not fool proof one made to stand any day against a special force strike.
But the problem here is we donot need to do this at all. US went with the SF operation because it didnt have the surity whether OBL is there if he is there what sort of undiscovered defences he will have. Being the supremo of one of the most feared organisation the US will never risk it. Do you guys think the mafia will be so loyal to D like relegiously loyal followers of Osama?
Also the aspect of extraction may not work…the gun shots will defenitely alert the pak security and we have no diplomatic upperhand like US over Pak. so even a stone throw will result in war, unlike US who doesnt have much to fear.
One should approve more of covert operation which CIA does for some of the Queda leaders, the commando operations are not norm but the last resort. Hire hench men from Rajan gang, train them and help them with covert execution.
But again the trouble is we dont have a culture of hunting down enemies (and we should not have also i beleive). for these covert operations will one day will become our enemies once they go out of hand, like CIA in the 60s and 70s.
we had ample chances to catch him here but we didnt use it. now what benefit is there to kill him at risk of war, after all he is just opportunist and not ideological icon like Osama. his killing will have no effect on mafia helping terrorist at the sake of pak intelligence.
I think we Indians are dumb – comparing ourselves to Americans. If you change the title of this graphic to say : "Pakistan's Op Geronimo Against CST, Taj and Oberio hotels" — the same sequence of events ships coming from Karachi to Mumbai, carrying out their ops, and killing 168 people. And funny thing is we are still discussing, but ofcourse don't wake up Mr. Singh, he might have a heartattack doing anything against his friends in Pakistan.
i think before we attempt this, our leaders need to grow balls.. while we might be technically able to do this, indian leaders dont have the balls
Outsourcing is the in-thing, the mantra nowadays. When Americans outsource some of their work to Indians, why can't we oursource some dirty work like eleminating terrorist scums to the thousands of disgruntled ex-SEALS, SAS, SPETSNAZ or the Moro rebels to take care of Dawood Ibrahim, etc?
State sponsored terrorism implemented by non-state actors is the modus operandi as per the Porkis. Just pay them back in the same coin.
Later when the deed is done, go on a diplomatic drive and claim innocence. Just claim our religion is a peaceful one which does not tolerate violence and terrorism. It could be done but we Indians do not even have the will power to launch a peaceful diplomatic offencive.
Thank you Shiv for coming up with a very entertaining, though a bit naive, piece of Bollywood covert operational drama.
I dont think a person like Dawood will be sitting at a house and shagging with his 3 wives like Osama…he has lot of business interests outside Pakistan…his daughter is getting married in Dubai..son studying in UK..i think there are ways to bring him out of Pakistan and take him out..provided our secret services and politicians have the will…
They made it so easy, like taking a walk to the park. Are Indian newspapers going to do anything to get some eyeballs.
All those in support of Chota Rajan must know this that chota rajan is already on the bankrolls of either IB or RAW & the shooters of Chota rajan somewhere during late 90's hatch the plan to kill Dawood. With indian intelligence support they were able to pinpoint the location of Dawood & as such they hatch a plan of shoot & run. The place chosen was a shopping complex in Karachi which Dawood was suppose to visit & shooters were placed there. Dawood visited that place but such was the security provided by ISI that they could'nt muster enough courage to shoot him. Finally he went away & i have no idea about other assassination attempts on his life.
Also the covert strike team of RAW was shut down by the then prime minister I K Gujral who,it appears to me, thinks himself to be the "greatest statesman". Still today that loss is felt & echoed in indian intelligence community.
Ha Ha Ha !! ROTFALMAO.
which know-it-all chairbone/keyboard commando came up with this plan ? you should send this plan to somebody like NDTV to burn a couple of tv hours discussing this plan.
@The Real Indian Taxpayer.
Bhaiya Muneri to tum ban gaye 🙂
A moronic plan deserves moronic responses. It's all in good fun. Some show anger at stupidity and some make fun of it.
Take it easy, bro.
Boy, this plan smacks of a direct lift from the Hollywood movie 'Navy SEALS'…sub, commandos, hired bus, returning to the same spot and getting back into sub. Whoever worked out this plan hasn't made efforts to be imaginative. It really needs imagination and political will to carry out an Op Geronimo.
Lungi man cant do anything about Paks other than just issuing warning again and again.
And about article LOL> WTF.
shiv whats your take on the new stealth helicopter of the us used in this mission.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/aviation-geeks-scramble-to-i-d-osama-raids-mystery-copter/all/1
even dawood has enemy in pakistan i.e paksitani mafia.india can conspire with them and get their job done.
Chopper derived from Komanchi the abandoned project was supposed to be successor of Apache
Gaa*d mein dum nahi, Hum kisi se kam nahi.
@ Anonymous 12:03 PM
I bet you are the one who either said Missiles from Gujarat or sleeping pill…
Heee heee…..
Love,
The Real Indian Taxpayer…
71 proactive minds (comments counting out Mirza) India will do it one day openly but covertly we have done it number times
First Option: R&AW operatives striking
Second Option: Navy MARCOS, need to plan about extraction.
Third Option: "Paint" (laser marking)the house where Dawood is staying, IAF of INS can bomb from fighter jets flying low,evading PAK radar from air bases close to border.
haha.. Nice plan… Not able to control my laugh..
Hahahaha funny
I can come up with better plan than this on paper as can any tom dick and harry!!!
LOL! Good one.
@Anonymous
Better plans are always welcome, we want to kill him anyway….BTW Dawood is so scared that he is shifting his son's wedding to Dubai(according to a leading newspaper)….Maybe we could do a MOSSAD….:-P
Guys just wait for another 30 years. Age will catch up and "kill" him. Btw, we can use the same tactic with a lot of other bad people we don't like.Our babus have a lot of patience in dealing with terror.
Any such attack may lead to a full scale war.
No doubt that MARCOS are capable of doing this better than depicted in the picture but I would still insist of accomplishing it using espionage as it would prevent any long term conflict and innumerable lives.
Same old loud music before the show and when the time for arrives, the actors have "fled".
Shiv…
BTW the name of the operation for capture/kill Osama was "Neptune's Spear" not "Geronimo".
Don't know why the media is spreading this info, much as a common man would…
Shiv – would expect that you correct it in your title for this post.
This particular plan has got to be the worst plan ever written. First of all……the plan doesn't place much emphasis on the lives of the commandoes involved. It sort of expects them to be expendable which itself becomes a liability. Send a raft thru pakistani waters is considered stealth? I don;t know if I should laugh or cry? This very act would ruin any element of surprise. Why isn;t the author considering the use of Mini Submersibles and the use of rebreather oxygen tanks to get to shore? Where is the input of HUMNIT? Someone should b around the area monitoring the comings and goings at all times. Quite frankly, after the OBL covert op, it is not a good idea to even go into Pakistan. We should remain quiet and make the necessary plans to attack in the future. We should look into building a stealthier Heli but that may be unfeasible within the timeframe required. I would propose a two man suicide squad armed with mortars and IEDS. Instead of focusing on Pakistan, we should consider taking Dawood in UAE for his son's wedding. This would present itself as a prime opportunity. In fact, Dawood needs to get one message clear like Saddam. Mess with India, and your children will not be spared. That my friends is the key, by hitting his family we will force him to react irrationally and then use that against him. Taking a bloody school bus thru the streets of Pakistan is not covert, it is ridiculous. It seems a toddler came up with this 'textbook plan.' However a bus loaded with one "thermobaric bomb" and one lone commando on a suicide mission would work. It would level the entire vicinity of the Dawood residence. The reality is that such bombs are usually air dropped but if we could denote from the bus itself..well….NO MORE DAWOOD and co. Otherwise we could send a UAV armed with this device and crash into his residence. The UAV could be assembled and operated from a nearby location by a lone agent. Ahh….why do I even waste my breath, India lacks the guts to do so. Whatever is does, it should ensure maximum plausibility so that it could deny it at all costs.
Another idea using a smaller stealth UAV that could be armed with high grade explosive……the key would be to load it with a flammable substance so that upon entry and explosion no evidence is found just bits and pieces. Even when such a product is built, care should be taken to remove any identify marks, numbers, features. Even the design should be modified to not resemble anything in the Indian inventory. Sneak it in pieces with operatives in place. This is a long term operation that requires detailed planning. I would say use the hardest part is getting the operative out alive. A min sub in a predetermined place would be ideal but too sure. or trek to Afghanistan and pick up there. More planning in this stage is required…..
Hahahaha… didn't I tell ya "now our secret plan is out Dawood will run away…" (Anonymous @ 1:26 PM) looks like he's closely watching Livefist for his security updates…hehehe 😛
Well, the plan could be improved upon for timing and precision. Let us not underestimate our special forces. Well one thing could we do not have the right helis to do such an operation. A team of MARCOS, SFF and 9th Pars should very convincingly take out D.
Whosoever ever thought of this plan must be a out of his mind. Good way to get the circulation up though!
Well…looks like the 2 persons who have created this graphic:
Mr. Mukesh Sharma and Mr. Sunil Singh are complete nitwits.
In the name of sensational reporting, do we find such absolute ridiculous theories/plans.
Enough has been mentioned about the plan, but even moreso, its quite inappropriate for the Media to keep propounding such plans.
Maintaining stance…and standing by our territory effectively and ever moreso, staking claim in POK and Arunachal to counter Chinese threat is more needed. Forget Dawood..for now.
This is akin to India/DRDO research organizations announcing that they're developing something in secret(maybe not everything), but there's a probability of what we could be doing.
Well, now this is open to everyone.
Biggest problem with domestic R&D has been IAF's immature attitude of demanding copy of exactly what West has. They are simply not ready to accept what they get and allow R&D to move in steps, which is normal in west and european R&D houses which are century old now. IAF behaves like a kid who want to grow up fast, but immature enough to not understand that there is no shortcut!
If IAF acts in more mature way, and stand behind the team, outcomes will be much better. R&D is all about sticking and perseverance. But IAF's attitude is – "we won't touch it. we are too lazy to participate in programe. that's not my job. we prefer roaming around in foreign airshows".
IAF has a lot to learn from PLAF and USAF, in terms of maturity. Its still far away from that stage.
life is all about learning & sticking to your efforts. Even first 20 of american GE aero-engines failed and blasted on testbeds. Did they start crying or whining? No.
You have two options in life – Live in past, cry about it, be pessimistic, beat your chest OR be positive, humble, act in mature way and stand behind your team.
So far, IAF has failed to show a mature leadership. Same is the case with Army. Navy is far more mature and have better approach to things. They focus on realities rather than living in past and being cynical, pessimistic and showing "devdas" mentality.
IAF = Indian army = Devdas.
Indian Navy(IN) = A mature leadership, quite comparable to USN.
Locate the hiding of Dawood first, because ISI must be keping him in secure place and moving him time to time, most probably in or around thier military compounds, THen place a specialist controller may bee who is trained in Radio, navigation and Laser designator, He glows the target with a riding beam which will then be tracked and locked by any choice a Brahmos, Mig 25, Drone, the missle shall contain the markings of pakistan and there serial nos, and after the Attack any of our so called dignetries congratulate the Kiyanis or Jardaris for doing war aginst terror and how they uphold the socalled law of pakistan
just look good in pictures, will be a good story for a bollywood movie.