hey ano!! you are wrong dud its not a useless plane.its a step towards to be be self reliance in aerospace industry and these experience boots the capability to build a unique and best fighter jet like AMCA and Tejas Mk2
its called one step at a time. its not for the military. its a vision by the Mahindra's to have a large number of these small low cost planes connecting the length and breadth of India. So the target is mass public.
It is not re-inventing the wheel. Reasons-
There is no other equivalent in the world for such a plane. This is a single engine 5 str (so 2 pilots in front + 3 at the back). Look at the plane carefully….it is very wide. Much wider than the closest competitor from companies like Cessna (Cessna-152/172 etc), which are more for training roles. The Mahindra plane is not for training, but for transportation.
Herin lies the difference.
The Mahindras are not so stupid to simply re-invent the wheel. Just like the scorpio may have been just another SUV, but at much lower cost and so much more value for Indians. So will be this plane.
The wannabe PSU peons forget that the original prototype of their almightly NAL/HAL Saras was built by Russia's MDB.
Thanks to the Congress-sponsored HAL monopoly Mahindra has had no chance to build experience in aerospace here in India. So naturally the prototype of their first plane is being built by their Australian subsidiary.
However the plane was designed by a 28-member INDIAN team from Mahindra(Here you will cry 'Only heavenly govt babus have the right to design planes to touch the skies! Babu is God! Jai HAL! May their monopoly last forever so that we can all aspire to serve the babus as peons!'). And they are there to learn and gain indegenous expertise.
You should instead look at your almightly NAL/HAL who couldn't build a working Saras even after 50 years of studying, assembling and licence-building foreign aircraft.
This product displays a market sensibility — it seeks to sell in a competitive marketplace using its unique attributes (as described by [email protected]). That's what made Embraer a global champion, and that is what a good private sector firm like Mahindra brings to the table.
Which is a far cry from the LCA and AMCA that are monopoly products whose global sales capacity is questionable (too early to speak about AMCA sure, but the LCA will be only used by the IAF I am sure). It might work for the IAF but it sure ain't gonna make HAL into a globally competitive enterprise.
are u so dumb that u dont even know who actually designed the plane..
Plane is designed by NAL scientists..that's why u see N (stands for NAL) in NM-5
Moreover, Mahindra just chipped in money to buy Gippsland Aeronautics in Australia and got this plane manufactured there. Mahindra first needs to set up aero manfacturing capability here…
I am well aware who designed the plane. It was NAL plus a 28-member team from Mahindra. And it was Mahindra and its subsidiary that turned the paper drawing into reality.
Otherwise if HAL was NAL's partner we'd see another 20-year old saga like Saras before the plane flew again. NAL is only good of dreaming about plane designs: NM5 only became a reality because of Mahindra here. Whereas NAL on its own is taking forever to deliver Saras even with Russian help.
Why should we congratulate India for being 90 years behind the curve for producing a tiny aircraft such as this? This production finally shows how much India is behind to the developed world and China.
While I do appreciate that India has finally gotten to this toy of an airplane, it is sad that for 50 years, Indian aeronautical engineers, including from esteemed institutions such as IIT-Kanpur couldn't — and still can't — find a decent job in India. They migrated West to work for Boeing, Airbus, Concorde, Lockheed Martin, McDonnell Douglas … and NASA … for the F-22, F-16, F-35, 737, 747, 767, 787. And then, Indians bitch endlessly about brain-drain, and further condemn Indian brains for leaving the country, labeling them unpatriotic and all that type of shit, as if it was their fault to leave the country. I know how this bullcrap goes on within well-to-do Indian families from Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai … all over: family members and other Indians are jealous as hell of their success. Instead of trying to gain their knowledge and take their advice on good things, they do the opposite. What's worse, when these brains want to come back to India, and wish to do things with improved technologies and management systems, they are more than frequently told to shove it. Well, we've found out over the years who really got shoved! The Indian technologists and engineers found great jobs overseas, made fortunes, lived well, traveled the world, and educated their children in the world's best universities, BUT India remained poor as hell, in the very bottom quartile of the poverty rate, industrialization level, and environmental care level — unchanged from 1947 to 2011. India has a fixed place — in the dung heap. Don't get fooled by all the economic advancement propaganda of the government. Relative to the world, India is still where it was at partition. It's not enough to say that India has advanced, because in war, the country has to be better than its adversaries and competitors, and it really isn't better than China by a long shot. In fact, smaller countries such as UAE, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam … have developed formidable militaries when they were nobodies 50 years ago.
Can anyone please tell me for which purpose this aircraft has been build. Is any of the Indian Armed Forces going to used it.
Exactly how much of the content is %100 Indian?
its civillian… commercial … can be used for light transport.. it is not intended for military .
we do not need such useless planes, instead we should develop the tejas and AMCA on fast track basis.
CNM-5 Built by GippsAero (of GA8 Airvan fame) an Australian acquisition of Mahindra Aerospace and powered by a Lycoming IO-540 engine !
What is so great about CNM-5??
hey ano!! you are wrong dud its not a useless plane.its a step towards to be be self reliance in aerospace industry and these experience boots the capability to build a unique and best fighter jet like AMCA and Tejas Mk2
what is the use of reinventing the wheel?
its called one step at a time.
its not for the military.
its a vision by the Mahindra's to have a large number of these small low cost planes connecting the length and breadth of India.
So the target is mass public.
It is not re-inventing the wheel. Reasons-
There is no other equivalent in the world for such a plane. This is a single engine 5 str (so 2 pilots in front + 3 at the back). Look at the plane carefully….it is very wide. Much wider than the closest competitor from companies like Cessna (Cessna-152/172 etc), which are more for training roles. The Mahindra plane is not for training, but for transportation.
Herin lies the difference.
The Mahindras are not so stupid to simply re-invent the wheel. Just like the scorpio may have been just another SUV, but at much lower cost and so much more value for Indians. So will be this plane.
The wannabe PSU peons forget that the original prototype of their almightly NAL/HAL Saras was built by Russia's MDB.
Thanks to the Congress-sponsored HAL monopoly Mahindra has had no chance to build experience in aerospace here in India. So naturally the prototype of their first plane is being built by their Australian subsidiary.
However the plane was designed by a 28-member INDIAN team from Mahindra(Here you will cry 'Only heavenly govt babus have the right to design planes to touch the skies! Babu is God! Jai HAL! May their monopoly last forever so that we can all aspire to serve the babus as peons!'). And they are there to learn and gain indegenous expertise.
You should instead look at your almightly NAL/HAL who couldn't build a working Saras even after 50 years of studying, assembling and licence-building foreign aircraft.
This product displays a market sensibility — it seeks to sell in a competitive marketplace using its unique attributes (as described by [email protected]). That's what made Embraer a global champion, and that is what a good private sector firm like Mahindra brings to the table.
Which is a far cry from the LCA and AMCA that are monopoly products whose global sales capacity is questionable (too early to speak about AMCA sure, but the LCA will be only used by the IAF I am sure). It might work for the IAF but it sure ain't gonna make HAL into a globally competitive enterprise.
@Gautam..
are u so dumb that u dont even know who actually designed the plane..
Plane is designed by NAL scientists..that's why u see N (stands for NAL) in NM-5
Moreover, Mahindra just chipped in money to buy Gippsland Aeronautics in Australia and got this plane manufactured there. Mahindra first needs to set up aero manfacturing capability here…
Mechstud
I am well aware who designed the plane. It was NAL plus a 28-member team from Mahindra. And it was Mahindra and its subsidiary that turned the paper drawing into reality.
Otherwise if HAL was NAL's partner we'd see another 20-year old saga like Saras before the plane flew again. NAL is only good of dreaming about plane designs: NM5 only became a reality because of Mahindra here. Whereas NAL on its own is taking forever to deliver Saras even with Russian help.
Why should we congratulate India for being 90 years behind the curve for producing a tiny aircraft such as this? This production finally shows how much India is behind to the developed world and China.
While I do appreciate that India has finally gotten to this toy of an airplane, it is sad that for 50 years, Indian aeronautical engineers, including from esteemed institutions such as IIT-Kanpur couldn't — and still can't — find a decent job in India. They migrated West to work for Boeing, Airbus, Concorde, Lockheed Martin, McDonnell Douglas … and NASA … for the F-22, F-16, F-35, 737, 747, 767, 787. And then, Indians bitch endlessly about brain-drain, and further condemn Indian brains for leaving the country, labeling them unpatriotic and all that type of shit, as if it was their fault to leave the country. I know how this bullcrap goes on within well-to-do Indian families from Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai … all over: family members and other Indians are jealous as hell of their success. Instead of trying to gain their knowledge and take their advice on good things, they do the opposite. What's worse, when these brains want to come back to India, and wish to do things with improved technologies and management systems, they are more than frequently told to shove it. Well, we've found out over the years who really got shoved! The Indian technologists and engineers found great jobs overseas, made fortunes, lived well, traveled the world, and educated their children in the world's best universities, BUT India remained poor as hell, in the very bottom quartile of the poverty rate, industrialization level, and environmental care level — unchanged from 1947 to 2011. India has a fixed place — in the dung heap. Don't get fooled by all the economic advancement propaganda of the government. Relative to the world, India is still where it was at partition. It's not enough to say that India has advanced, because in war, the country has to be better than its adversaries and competitors, and it really isn't better than China by a long shot. In fact, smaller countries such as UAE, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam … have developed formidable militaries when they were nobodies 50 years ago.